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Snarknado 1 - Why the top 25 sucks
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DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
I'll take a stab:
Lost their best players on offense and defense
Lost both their OC and DC
Something is rotten at Utah - 8 different OC combinations in 8 years
Travis Wilson, really?
I could easily see Utah being one of the teams that regresses the most this year. Pac 12 is brutal, and there are a lot of weird things happening with that program. Still expect them to beat Michigan, though.
Wooly
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An excellent point. It getting to the point where comparing QBs in different systems is almost like apples and oranges now. I would like to see more stats on QB ratings for passes thrown more than 10 yards beyond the LOS for a real comparison of actual QB ability. There are plenty of QBs who look great in their numbers, but are really just system guys who don't throw downfield...well, ever it seems. What does it tell me if a guy throws a bubble screen and the WR takes it to the house? I am not saying Mariota was not a great QB, it's just hard to size him up with pro style drop back QBs. The other thing that is always hard to know is how good a player is when he is surrounded by great talent with a great scheme. How hard would the passing game be if Oregon wasn't breaking off 10 yard runs at will with those backs, that OL, and the Kelly scheme. That was the toughest offense to stop in CFB for the past 5 years. How much is Mariota, how much is talent and system? Impossible to know. Only the best DLs in the country could slow them down.
Bdub
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Agreed on all points however while they did lose their DC, the defense has always been Whittingham's defense and will continue to be his regardless of who the coordinator is. Their offense is a shit show and has been for a very long time. Utah wins on elite defense and a strong run game and they still have both of those this year. They will regress but still win 7 or 8 in my opinion. As a Utah fan you have to be happy with 8 wins in the Pac 12.
Couldn't agree more, chief! That's how I feel about Klimpson too! Hide your sheep, it's time for the #12 (lolwut) Klimpson Tigers!
- 2 cot dang starters returning on defense? It's the only thing you hillbillies did well last year!
- Football Jesus has to stay healthy this year, right? Not like he's been a china doll or anything...
- Speaking of which, you tell me how this sounds: Team extremely dependent on injury prone QB is only returning 1 starter on the OL. And this is the "positive" side of the ball I'm supposed to be looking at?!?
- This is a squad that really puts the "special" in special teams. Lost both specialists, and were completely unspectacular in the return game.
- Speaking of kicking, here is a pre-game shot of former kicker Ammon Lakip:
- The schedule is much tougher than you realize. @Louisville, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, @Miami, @NC State, FSU, and @SCarolina are all loseable games for a team with this many question marks.
- Watson gets hurt in week 3 against Louisville, and Klimpson struggles to make a bowl game. 7-5 is what these biased eyes are seeing.
- Because we all need more of this in our lives:
Lightningwar
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Please tell me that .gif is from last years implosion in OT against a hapless FSU defense.
Bdub
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Wilson could easily lose the starting job to Thompson. Bruin I think you remember him.
Heisman06
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Georgia Tech loss on Halloween a couple years back
Bdub
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Why?
Brick
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Worst offense in conference games by a significant margin last year: 4.81 YPP and 344 YPG.
Defense was middle of the pack in conference games: 6th in YPG against, 8th in YPP.
Played well above their heads in wins against UCLA, USC, Stanford (that is a once in a decade or so type sweep).
Won 5 conference games by a total of 18 points.
Margin of error is way too small for them to repeat what they did last year. I think they could easily drop any of Utah State, @ Fresno State, Michigan. Their next four games:
@ Oregon
California
Arizona State
@ USC
Anything better than a 1-3 start in conference would be great for them. I see a 3-4 overall start or worse. I bet they end up anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5.
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Bdub
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If a team consistently players over their head, doesn't that mean they are just that good? I could understand you saying they played one game over their head but not multiple games. They also took ASU to overtime and where in the game with Oregon in the 4th quarter after dropping a massive TD. Point being they won close games and they lost all but the Arizona game close so they actually easily could have had a better record.
Bdub
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True, but it also can be argued that it mostly means they where a competitive team that is equal with the rest of the division.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
I think you're right. Here's how I look at teams with a lot of close games - if their record in the close games is far away from .500, I expect that record to move closer to .500. When you're looking at close games, it can really come down to one bad/good bounce of the ball. Luck plays a big role in winning those games. So a team with a big winning record in close games, to me, is more lucky than a great team, to me. Truly elite teams do not play in many close games.
So, for Utah, a 5-2 record in close games means I'd expect them to get closer to .500 in those games next year. Unless they have a ton of good talent returning (they don't), that means I'm down on Utah this year.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
Uh, what about WR and the secondary? And I think Booker isn't all that special. He's an above average college player for sure, but 5.2 yards per carry isn't special in college. Perkins was at 6.2 yards per carry, for comparison. Booker also finished the year with a lot of meh games running the ball.
Except Utah doesn't consistently play above their ceiling. Before last season, Utah had gone 18-19 in the Pac-12, with 2 straight 5 win seasons. Now they've lost their OC and DC, lost their best defensive players, and have no discernible offense outside of Booker. And even Booker only scored 10 touchdowns last year. If Utah is going to improve on last year, that means they're only going to lose 3 of Michigan, @Oregon, Cal, ASU, @Zona, UCLA, and @SC.
Also, lol at Booker being the best back in the conference. Perkins had more yards, a better YPC, and more TDs all against a tougher schedule. Nick Wilson and Royce Freeman also would've outrushed Booker had they had the same amount of carries and both had far more TDs on less carries. Booker is a good, even a great back, but he's not carrying an offense that has pretty much no one else and is going through their 4th OC in as many years.
Bdub
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Dres Anderson was their best WR last year but was hurt part of the year. In the secondary Dominique Hatfield was the best last and will be back.
Booker is special all around back. He is a great receiver out of the back field.
Bdub
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Perkins finished with less than 50 yards more than Booker last year and Booker wasn't even the starting running back for the first 2 games.
Neither was Perkins. Thanks for playing.
Dr. Shats Basoon
Closed mouths don't get fed
was Utah the team whose WR fumbled on the goalline against Oregon? think they were going to go up 13-0 but the Oregon guy picked it up and housed that bitch for 6 and that was that
Bdub
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Booker has over twice the receiving yards as Perkins as well.
Probably because Utah had no one else to throw the ball to...
Bdub
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Just 2 guys who are now in the NFL.
Just looked this up. 300 is over twice 200? WAT? And once again, Perkins had a better average than Booker. If UCLA only had one player to give the ball to like Booker, he would have far better stats.
Bdub
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Thought he had 400 sorry. If Utah had another player like Booker he would have had better stats as well and if UCLA had better players they might have beat Utah. What's your point?
DeadMan
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Awbarn, LSU, Oklahoma. Let's do the south.
Bdub
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We shall see
Wooly
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How old are you?
Too old for you, Jared.
Brick
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To be fair, Booker was tops in the conference in rushing yards against Pac-12 opponents and had a really shitty passing game behind him.
But, of running backs with 100 carries or more, he was 6th in YPC behind Perkins, Allen, Freeman, Wilson, and Lasco. I don't put much value into RB touchdowns, but he was behind Freeman, Lasco, Wilson, and Allen in those categories.
All of those RBs but Allen return this year.
But, of running backs with 100 carries or more, he was 6th in YPC behind Perkins, Allen, Freeman, Wilson, and Lasco. I don't put much value into RB touchdowns, but he was behind Freeman, Lasco, Wilson, and Allen in those categories.
All of those RBs but Allen return this year.
R2D2
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Nobody cares about Utah, unless you mention the SEC gawd (@GR8 2 B FL G8R) Urban Meyer.
Brick
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They were closer to having a worse record than a better record, was the point. I'll be surprised if they're anything better than 7-5. I'd predict 6-6 with a gun to my head. I don't think that's very bold.
http://preseason.stassen.com/consensus/2015.html#pac-12
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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That ho over thur?
fried rice
Who wants to sex Mutombo?
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Fieri is a dank meme
I have one of him eating a mans anus saying im eating my way to flavor town
Will trade for other lulz
I have one of him eating a mans anus saying im eating my way to flavor town
Will trade for other lulz
Craig7835
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Does Whitt know what type of offense he wants to run? He had his old QB Brian Johnson calling the shots,that didn't work. Had Dennis Erickson,that didn't work, had Dave Christensen ,that didn't work either. It's hard to replicate that Urban Meyer Spread,so Whitt needs to get with times & find a good OC that is well versed in the Spread
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Bdub
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I agree he is a defense first kind of guy and that's fine but he needs to leave the offense to someone who knows what they are doing. I honestly don't think Brian Johnson was ready, Dennis Erickson would have continued to be the OC but didn't really want that kind of workload anymore. He is the RB coach now and has been a huge help in recruiting. I think Whitt liked Dave Christensen, but he couldn't get a long with any of the coaches and the players couldn't stand him.
Now we have 2 guys running the offense who where coaches last year and claim they will run the same offense as last year with a few changes.
The biggest issue I see now is they have not been recruiting for a specific type of offense so we have various QBs who are not suited for the offense they now want to run. Anyways we will see how this year goes but I won't be holding my breath for an amazing offense. Either way Utah can't meet their goals in the Pac 12 without a good offense so if he doesn't turn it around he won't be the coach after next year. I fully believe he gets fired if they win less than 7 games.
Craig7835
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Well that's the issue I have,what offense DO they want to run? I remember Whitt had hired Norm Chow-who I forgot to mention in my last post-to run the Pro Style Spread which worked & he left after one season then after that the offense went to the drizzlin' shits. Whitt kinda reminds me of what Lovie Smith did in his last years with the Bears,hired Mike Martz,fired him & replaced with an even more shitty hire in Mike Tice & told the media to basically f$!k themselves when they questioned him about the hire
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sayo
YEET
Too bad Chow didn't stay there. That would have been awesome.
Bdub
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Apparently he is a total ass as well so we are glad he left.
Utah doesn't need to have an extremely good offense to be a good team they just need one that can limit turnovers and eat clock and score a few Touchdowns. Add that to a defense that gets a lot of takeaways and a special teams group that is top notch and they win 7 games a year. On the off years that they get a top QB they can make a run at a title. Really that's all you can ask for at a place like Utah.