LolPeople may also not trust you if you accept crazy fleeces then backtrack when people call you out on it
Oh and THEN try and renegotiate for less
speaking of mismanaging pitching, @Wooly, if you're not gonna play Bernard Petitjean......trade him to me. Ill give you a 1st rounder for him. His ratings could have him pitching in AA and hes still in your IC
Didn't he trade that guy to @MSUFanatic for that 4th OFer Juan Carlos Jackal?
can't believe it took wooly all these years to realize that Hayne should be a starter...even after calling him out on it like 3 seasons ago. Talkin about an all-time great starter that didn't get his first starts till he was 28. SMH
To be honest, I have not paid much attention to my A squad in like 3-4 years. I put a few new prospects into the spots they needed, and cut a bunch of guys just to get down to like 50 players, but didn't want to spend more time on it. I will gladly donate my A ball trophy to charity if I win it this year. Shame on me.Same shit, different year from @Wooly in A
To be honest, I have not paid much attention to my A squad in like 3-4 years. I put a few new prospects into the spots they needed, and cut a bunch of guys just to get down to like 50 players, but didn't want to spend more time on it. I will gladly donate my A ball trophy to charity if I win it this year. Shame on me.
How about you stop writing paragraphs nobody's going to read and you move some of the guys over 25 out of A.
I am sorry it's so taxing to your attention span. Up your Vyvanse about 10 mg and see if that helps.
Those third pitches took so long to develop because you had them in the pen
Whats a sentenceTwo sentences, max.
Those third pitches took so long to develop because you had them in the pen
They never even had potential third pitches though.
They had two pitches with good or better potential (50+). Any other pitches had potentials 40 or less. Therefore I planned on them being in the pen, just like we sort out any other pitchers. SP have the potential for 3 or more pitches of 50+, everyone else is slated for pen. Lucatoni and Hayne suddenly had a third pitch appear way beyond their potential, according to OSA. I always go by OSA too, not my scout, because I usually have my scouting budget close to zero, and I assume my scout is completely unreliable. Scouting potentials are so hit and miss that I generally ignore them. OSA said these guys never had the potential to be starters, then one day they did, but it didn't happen until they were already at the WBL and in their mid 20s. I don't remember well if my scout had a potential 3rd pitch over 50, but probably not either. I used to pay a lot of attention to almost all of my players, and I don't recall either Hayne or Lucatoni having any chance to be anything other than RPs, albeit elite ones.
In fact, for both pitchers, the third pitch didn't happen for either until they were very successful RPs with all the other potentials fully developed and pitching at an elite level. Then, one year, the third pitch just came on all of the sudden. I wonder if pitching at an elite level in the pen is what prompted the development of the other pitch. I wonder if that third pitch was hidden and allowed to come out with their RP success. If that is the case, then it's a good thing they were in the pen. If they were starters with only two pitches, potential or otherwise, maybe they would not have been successful and allowed the third pitch to emerge.
They would have been SP and then better SP.They never even had potential third pitches though.
They had two pitches with good or better potential (50+). Any other pitches had potentials 40 or less. Therefore I planned on them being in the pen, just like we sort out any other pitchers. SP have the potential for 3 or more pitches of 50+, everyone else is slated for pen. Lucatoni and Hayne suddenly had a third pitch appear way beyond their potential, according to OSA. I always go by OSA too, not my scout, because I usually have my scouting budget close to zero, and I assume my scout is completely unreliable. Scouting potentials are so hit and miss that I generally ignore them. OSA said these guys never had the potential to be starters, then one day they did, but it didn't happen until they were already at the WBL and in their mid 20s. I don't remember well if my scout had a potential 3rd pitch over 50, but probably not either. I used to pay a lot of attention to almost all of my players, and I don't recall either Hayne or Lucatoni having any chance to be anything other than RPs, albeit elite ones.
In fact, for both pitchers, the third pitch didn't happen for either until they were very successful RPs with all the other potentials fully developed and pitching at an elite level. Then, one year, the third pitch just came on all of the sudden. I wonder if pitching at an elite level in the pen is what prompted the development of the other pitch. I wonder if that third pitch was hidden and allowed to come out with their RP success. If that is the case, then it's a good thing they were in the pen. If they were starters with only two pitches, potential or otherwise, maybe they would not have been successful and allowed the third pitch to emerge.
Cross added a new pitch this past offseason.interesting that adding a 3rd pitch isn't in either of their development reports. Thats something that is usually listed as you can see by looking at Rafael Lujan in my A ball...who added a knuckle-curve this past offseason.
Cross added a new pitch this past offseason.
But he is saying the third pitch developed, not that it was learned.
lol, hes also full of shit. I called him out like 2-3 seasons ago for having Hayne as a closer and not a starter and he definitely had 3 very well developed pitches at that time
The more wooly wooly's the easier the rest of the league has it. Your need to show others the error in their ways makes your path harder
If they have 50+ stamina they are starters until the WBL where they can be sorted if they are truly relievers. You don't have 6 potential WBL level SP in all your minor levels unless you have the GOAT system of all time
Maybe so, i see now that he moved him into the rotation at that time.
Still calling bullshit on Hayne. You don't just all the sudden develop a miraculous 70 rated 3rd pitch at age 27
I guess so. While I certainly use some 2 pitch guys for SP in my minors, out of necessity, I just assumed they would never be WBL SP unless they had 3+ pitches of 50+. I also assumed that pitch potential never really moved much more than 5-10 points up, and usually just lower down, so anyone whose third pitch was like a 40 potential or worse was never going to be a WBL SP, no matter what. Since Hayne and Lucatoni never had a third potential pitch better than 40, and I didn't think they ever would either, I treated them like my elite RP to be. I gave them some starts in the minors just to get IP in, but for AAA on I just developed them as RP. That third pitch came along unexpectedly after a few years in WBL, and late in age, like 26 yo. Is that common?
I definitely remember the Lucatoni discussion. I get having one in the pen for the playoffs maybe if you have 3 or 4 other good starters, which he did when Lucatoni was there.
That is exactly what happened, Lucatoni first, then Hayne a year later or so. Both were a Closer first, with elite stats, then they had a third pitch emerge in about a year, out of nowhere. I was surprised, but unsure if it was real. Lucatoni was lights out the end of 2062, and his ratings were so awesome that I signed him to a long term contract. I remember being really worried that this might backfire, and that third pitch was a fleeting mirage, that I had just signed a big contract on a guy that would go back to being a RP soon. Took a chance. Now it looks like I won the lottery, which apparently I did.Maybe so, i see now that he moved him into the rotation at that time.
Still calling bullshit on Hayne. You don't just all the sudden develop a miraculous 70 rated 3rd pitch at age 27
That is exactly what happened, Lucatoni first, then Hayne a year later or so. Both were a Closer first, with elite stats, then they had a third pitch emerge in about a year, out of nowhere. I was surprised, but unsure if it was real. Lucatoni was lights out the end of 2062, and his ratings were so awesome that I signed him to a long term contract. I remember being really worried that this might backfire, and that third pitch was a fleeting mirage, that I had just signed a big contract on a guy that would go back to being a RP soon. Took a chance. Now it looks like I won the lottery, which apparently I did.
Seems to have worked out for him.
With the rotation he has now though, if he doesn't win a ship this year, he really should quit, lol
What if he does win?
I think this is semantics. He means, he had a third pitch but it was 25 or 35 potential. He basically did win the lotto twice.riiiiiiiiiight
They may or may not but you start them if they have the stamina anyway. Sometimes the algorithm smiles upon you, sometimes it doesn't.
Seems to have worked out for him.
With the rotation he has now though, if he doesn't win a ship this year, he really should quit, lol
riiiiiiiiiight
I am not claiming to know how everything in the game works. I have not been here as long as you. However, I have a lot of data in spreadsheets, year after year, and I can tell you those pitches were not there before, not even as potential in OSA.
Why didnt anyone trade for Arevalo?
I did legit just tell you those 3rd pitch potentials in 2057 doe.this coming from someone that can't even be present during the playoffs?
riiiiiiight
I did legit just tell you those 3rd pitch potentials in 2057 doe.