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2014 NBA Off-Season Thread
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Bucksin04
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Tweeted this yesterday, but IF San Antonio wins and IF Melo goes to Miami, you COULD conceivably construct the following narrative around LeBron's career since 2007:
2007 - Gets swept in the Finals by San Antonio, failed to win a single Finals game in his entire Cleveland career
2008 - Loses in the Eastern Finals to eventual champion Celtics
2009 - Leads Cavs to a 66 win season, #1 overall seed in the NBA, didn't make the Finals
2010 - Leads Cavs to a 61 win season, #1 overall seed in the NBA, didn't make the Eastern Conference Finals, leaves Cleveland via The Decision TV special to join two other All-Stars/future Hall of Famers in Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
2011 - Loses in the Finals to the Mavs
2012 - Wins Finals in a lockout shortened year
2013 - Wins first Finals in a season which featured an 82 game schedule, but needs Chris Bosh (rebound) and Ray Allen (shot) to make one of the biggest plays in the history of basketball to even force overtime in Game 6 v. San Antonio.
2014 - Loses in the Finals to San Antonio, has to go out and recruit ANOTHER All-Star/Hall of Fame caliber type player to help him win a third ring.
So you'd be looking at a 2-3 record in the Finals, 2 rings (1 coming off a 66 game schedule, 1 coming off an 82 game schedule), and a failure to even make the Finals twice when earning the #1 overall seed. That's...that's something.
2007 - Gets swept in the Finals by San Antonio, failed to win a single Finals game in his entire Cleveland career
2008 - Loses in the Eastern Finals to eventual champion Celtics
2009 - Leads Cavs to a 66 win season, #1 overall seed in the NBA, didn't make the Finals
2010 - Leads Cavs to a 61 win season, #1 overall seed in the NBA, didn't make the Eastern Conference Finals, leaves Cleveland via The Decision TV special to join two other All-Stars/future Hall of Famers in Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
2011 - Loses in the Finals to the Mavs
2012 - Wins Finals in a lockout shortened year
2013 - Wins first Finals in a season which featured an 82 game schedule, but needs Chris Bosh (rebound) and Ray Allen (shot) to make one of the biggest plays in the history of basketball to even force overtime in Game 6 v. San Antonio.
2014 - Loses in the Finals to San Antonio, has to go out and recruit ANOTHER All-Star/Hall of Fame caliber type player to help him win a third ring.
So you'd be looking at a 2-3 record in the Finals, 2 rings (1 coming off a 66 game schedule, 1 coming off an 82 game schedule), and a failure to even make the Finals twice when earning the #1 overall seed. That's...that's something.
Bucksin04
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So horrific of a team that no one has won more than 66 games since the '09 Cavs did it? As phenomenal as he is, he didn't win 66 games by himself. They didn't have star power, but they had a cast of role players who did their jobs extremely well.
Obviously I'm not saying LeBron's been a failure, and I'm certainly not saying it's an argument or narrative that I would construct. I'm saying that if one were inclined to do so, you COULD make that argument. It's dumb. But you could make it and not technically be wrong.
Horrific.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Ilgauskas for HOF
jdlikewhoa
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GOAT doe
Bucksin04
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Mo Williams averaged 18 points a game and made the All-Star team. Delonte West was an excellent defender and gave you 12 points, 3.5 assists a game. LeBron was LeBron. Anderson Varejao played great pick and roll defense, made every hustle play you could think of, and was a great rebounder. Ilgasukas stretched the floor and pulled down his share of rebounds. Daniel Gibson was actually still useful as a 3 point shooter. Ben Wallace defended well, too. Like I said, no other star power, but a bunch of guys who were given a job to do and did it well.
It allows a horrific team to get to 66. Mo williams lol
Plz don't forget Delonte West.
Lulz.
-YTC
Lulz.
-YTC
Heisman06
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Lol would never happen. Organization is too damn loyal. Wade needs to be at 8-12 million range. Honestly, the best thing for him and the team would be 6th man. Put a shooting or defensive specialist at starting SG and let Wade get his off the bench. Would def give him more opportunities to score if Melo were to somehow come.
But I doubt Wade puts his ego aside and goes to the 6th man role. Ego is also what likely keeps Melo away from Miami.
But I doubt Wade puts his ego aside and goes to the 6th man role. Ego is also what likely keeps Melo away from Miami.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Melo is not coming to the Heat, this shit is ridic
you know how bad you have to be if you are the knicks to NOT make the playoffs in the East? Toronto and Charlotte both made it.
Heisman06
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I actually find it a lot less ridiculous than most. I've been hinting at this for awhile now when I talk basketball with my friends. I'm not even sure I want it, part of me would rather spend the money on 2-3 good role players to replace Allen, Battier, Chalmers, etc. but it's definitely an intriguing idea that makes a lot of sense for Melo. At some point, he's going to put winning above everything else. It could be now or it could be when his career is winding down. Buuuuttttt it is ridiculous to talk about it now when there's an amazing Finals going on.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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This is like saying Karl Malone and Stockton should have joined Jordan and Pippen "to win"
Clintmartian
Stringer Bell
I heard the other night he has the NBA Finals record for steals in a game to compliment his Big Shot Rob moniker.
Yeah there just isnt enough time in the day to squeeze in but the one topic.
goblue96
Disney and Curling Expert
Confirmed:
Finals Records: Steals - Game
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GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Probably Shaq failing to dribble properly and losing the ball
Then the ball bounced str8 to the numbers of that lucky mother fucker...7 times
Then the ball bounced str8 to the numbers of that lucky mother fucker...7 times
Heisman06
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Thanks for understanding
Cleveland hasn't made it in 4 years. Look at the shit the Bulls put out there and were a #4 seed
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Noah carried them to that 4 seed
GO GATA
He put the team on his back as it were
GO GATA
He put the team on his back as it were
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goblue96
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thats cleveland tho
They've had the no. 1 pick 3/4 years. Last time the knicks had a top 10 pick was 2009. Last time Bulls had a top 10 pick was 2008.
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
IMO if the Heat got Melo they'd use him in the James Harden sixth man role. Have him play a lot with their (horrific) bench so they don't get killed every time LBJ is off the court. I think him and LBJ are a good fit together too. LeBron loves creating and dishing and Anthony loves to shoot. I don't even know how much they'd play together.
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at the Celts have better assets for Love than the Warriors. If the T-Wolves want the Nets unprotected pick for 2057 then sure they have better assets. But if the T-Wolves want a quick rebuild, they take Barnes/Lee. The only way the Celts get Love is if they find a third team that wants the Nets picks and can give Minnesota a player that is actually good now and not a pick that could potentially be good in 8 years.
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at the Celts have better assets for Love than the Warriors. If the T-Wolves want the Nets unprotected pick for 2057 then sure they have better assets. But if the T-Wolves want a quick rebuild, they take Barnes/Lee. The only way the Celts get Love is if they find a third team that wants the Nets picks and can give Minnesota a player that is actually good now and not a pick that could potentially be good in 8 years.
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
Lee is in any potential trade to make the salary more even plus isn't an elite player (no one is saying he is) but a 3rd or 4th option on a good team. He would be there to make them more legitimate like he did with the Warriors in their first step to becoming a good team. You can't just magically go from terrible to top 5 in the league… you need building blocks.
They don't want to hit the reset button and bet on people that could be good in 3-4 years again. What do the Celtics have other than draft picks? How many non top 5 picks turn out to be good? You're basically betting on guys who potentially could be good to continue to the cycle of being horrible while giving away Love for nothing more than lotto tickets.
One thing to remember about Melo is he can play the PF position (Olympic team) position and is a willing rebounder. They would play a lot together and their games would go together like peas and carrots.
However, for this to happen James, Wade and Bosh would have to take an approximate 25% pay cut to clear enough space for Melo (who would also have to take a similar paycut). No matter how much money you have, it is still hard to turn down that much money.
NML
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This is just like the Jrue discussion... How can you say "how many top 5 picks turn out to be good?" when ur main argument against trading picks is a player (Jrue/Lee) who was picked outside the top 5?
The 6th pick this year should be really good. Jared Sullinger is on a rookie contract and a 17/10 guy per 36 already. Add in an expiring contract of Keith Bogans and you now have cleared all the salary cap space, have two borderline all-star players on cheap deals (Sully + 6th pick), and a role player with the 17th. That's as quick of a rebuild as you can have.
Brick
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brainwashed
NML
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Alright y'all
keeping fucking that David Lee chicken. They put up very similar per 36 numbers, but one is making $15 million a year and one is making $3m.
I guess David Lee and Harrison Barnes are a good trade if you want to be the Warriors, minus their best two players. We all know the Warriors are set to win the next six titles so that makes sense.
Or you get three starters on team friendly deals with cap space to bring in a max player.
David Lee is perfect if you want to follow the Atlanta Hawks method this decade.
keeping fucking that David Lee chicken. They put up very similar per 36 numbers, but one is making $15 million a year and one is making $3m.
I guess David Lee and Harrison Barnes are a good trade if you want to be the Warriors, minus their best two players. We all know the Warriors are set to win the next six titles so that makes sense.
Or you get three starters on team friendly deals with cap space to bring in a max player.
David Lee is perfect if you want to follow the Atlanta Hawks method this decade.
