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Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
Quesadilla
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
game over for Sparty
MtneerManiac
Burning Couches
2 more games of Cocksucker Howard and QB wooooo
CJ_24
Well-Known Member
In my view, if you do not win your division because you lost to f'n pedo state, you do not get to pass go and do not get to go to the playoff.
In my view, if the status quo holds, the playoff should be:
Bama v. psu/wisky
klimpson v. warshington
ohio and brick can go pound sand.
In my view, if the status quo holds, the playoff should be:
Bama v. psu/wisky
klimpson v. warshington
ohio and brick can go pound sand.
Lightningwar
Administrator
Lightningwar
Administrator
Pedo state in the playoffs would be dreadful. Get to listen to how all the pain poor Pedo State went through because they allowed a rapist access to their facilities for years is now being healed.
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
tOSU are probably a lock. One of the strongest schedules with one of the strongest wins. but I could see the CJ scenario playing out too, just not likely because I don't think conference title is the main determinant, just that it's the thing that will put pedometer in over one of klimps and warsh
CJ_24
Well-Known Member
Of course Penn State would get obliterated in the playoff. That is besides the point. The point is that we have conferences, and unless you want to do away with them, winning your conference has some merit to it. To me, it is an absurd syllogism that a football team can be considered the best team in the nation, while they cannot be considered the best team in their own division.
The ranking system is completely arbitrary, maintaining some dignity for winning a conference at least brings some objective criteria to the process. If you do away with even that modicum of objectivity, you might as well admit the system is a rigged popularity contest and any team not named ohio state, alabama, michigan, florida state, oklahoma, usc or notre dame should not waste their time even applying.
The ranking system is completely arbitrary, maintaining some dignity for winning a conference at least brings some objective criteria to the process. If you do away with even that modicum of objectivity, you might as well admit the system is a rigged popularity contest and any team not named ohio state, alabama, michigan, florida state, oklahoma, usc or notre dame should not waste their time even applying.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
I think the committee will exclude OSU because they didn't get to the championship game unless both Washington and Clemson lose. I think they want every game to matter and not have the Big Ten Championship game be some game that doesn't matter.
Really should have knocked them out today. 3 turnovers gave the game away. Ugh.
Really should have knocked them out today. 3 turnovers gave the game away. Ugh.
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
Penn State are winning the division because Michigan lost to Iowa, basically. Which might be fair if Iowa hadn't Iowa'd the rest of their schedule as it'd provide a fair opponent for the B1G LEADERS or whatever the division names are this year. Instead it's just Wisky, who until recently were losing to Minnesota.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
Man, #99 on Notre Dame is a dirty mofo.
CJ_24
Well-Known Member
Further, it begs the question. What makes everyone so sure that Ohio does deserve to be in despite failing to win their own division (much less conference). Did anyone watching that game this morning think they were witnessing two of the three best teams in the nation? Neither team looked any good, and if Michigan had not dicked the dog all game, Ohio would not have won despite the fact that their offense looked like crap most of the game. Ohio may very well be the second best team in the nation, or they may be the 10th. I have no idea. And if you cut through all the bull, ultimately those who do say Ohio is the second best team in the nation are relying on the EYE TEST. And we know how reliable that is.
Which brings me back to my central point--the system is an arbitrary popularity contest, there is no real logic to who gets anointed and who does not, so it is rational to impart some semblance of objective criteria.
Which brings me back to my central point--the system is an arbitrary popularity contest, there is no real logic to who gets anointed and who does not, so it is rational to impart some semblance of objective criteria.
Hachiko
The Akita on Utopia
I did. Uber #competition for getting form out of position.
No one is relying on the EYE TEST, what the hell are you talking about? If I were relying on the eye test, OSU wouldn't even be ranked because Barrett looks worse than Anus Solomon throwing the ball. What is PSU's best win outside of a lucky win over OSU? Sqeaking by a shitty as fuck Minnesota team?
OSU's second best win is better than 99% of the country. Their third best win is better than 99% of the country.
OSU's second best win is better than 99% of the country. Their third best win is better than 99% of the country.
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
And fwiw CJ I agree with you to a certain extent. I'd be open to including Colorado over any of those teams if they win today and beat Warshington in the PAC title game, for example. The problem is that the best team in the B1G (They've stomped all the ranked B1G teams they've played other than PSU) should be in the playoff, and then does the B1G really deserve two spots?
If all 4 Big 4 conferences have one team coming out of the gauntlet at 13-0 or 12-1, those teams should probably be in just by the basic fact that their SOS is probably going to be good enough.
It just sucks that the system is still sorta brokedick. I mean everyone talks about these random 3 loss teams as if they have a chance in a 4-team playoff. Once it moves to 8 it'll be so much simpler. Alabama, tOSU, Clemson, Pedometer/Wiscy/Michigan, BUFFS, OU/OSU Warsh, UF/FSU/Other B1G team
If all 4 Big 4 conferences have one team coming out of the gauntlet at 13-0 or 12-1, those teams should probably be in just by the basic fact that their SOS is probably going to be good enough.
It just sucks that the system is still sorta brokedick. I mean everyone talks about these random 3 loss teams as if they have a chance in a 4-team playoff. Once it moves to 8 it'll be so much simpler. Alabama, tOSU, Clemson, Pedometer/Wiscy/Michigan, BUFFS, OU/OSU Warsh, UF/FSU/Other B1G team
CJ_24
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How do you know those things? Because the teams were ranked in a certain spot when Ohio played them? If that is so, then what do you make of Wisconsin's wins over LSU and Sparty? Or do those not count? And you do you make that determination? Why do you make that determination?
You are using the EYE TEST because when you cut through all the pomp and circumstance, you are not using any other criteria. Your syllogism is Ohio is better because they beat Michigan and Oklahoma, and Michigan and Oklahoma are great because they're ranked high and they looked good when I saw them play. If that is not your ultimate criteria, I would like to know what it is, because that's the criteria that everyone ultimately uses in these inane discussions.
JAR201166
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@TotalDoubt suck it
Wooly
Well-Known Member
Oh the hyperbole.
Bama is beatable by any team with enough athletes, which is probably 20 teams. Does Alabama lose? Probably not, but they are not unbeatable. They have had better teams under Saban, their defense has been better too. Clemson and Ohio St. probably have the most athletes among the contenders, but a team like Washington, Wisconsin, PSU, Oklahoma, etc all could do it on a good day. There are no bad teams among the contenders for the playoffs, so Bama could certainly get beat.
Penn St. does not suck, unless your definition of sucking is "Bama, and everyone else sucks". They are 10-2 and beat Ohio St. If PSU beats Wisconsin in the title game (assuming they beat Minn), then I think PSU should be in a playoff over Ohio St. PSU has a heads up win over OSU, and conference titles do matter IMO. If it was an 10-3 PSU team winning the conference, that is a different matter, but 10-2 winning it with a win over OSU is a better argument than 11-1, in this case.
As of right now, Alabama and Clemson are the clear favorites for the playoffs. I think if Washington wins out they should get the third spot over anyone else, given 11-1 and the Conf title. Then, there is a lot of relative arguments for the 4th spot. PSU at 11-2 with wins over OSU and Wiscy is a good argument. An 11-1 OSU with a win over Michigan is a good argument, as is Oklahoma at 10-2 and conf title with wins over WVU and OSU. If Florida wins out, they have a good argument too, at 10-2 and a win over Bama and FSU in the last two weeks. Even Wiscy at 10-2 with a win over PSU is an argument. WVU and Okie probably can't get in no matter what, at this point. Even a win over Oklahoma probably doesn't gain enough ground for a 10-2 Okie St., even with a conf title. That loss to CMU just kills them. Whichever 10-2 team that wins the Big 10 CCG would have a better argument anyway, at that point, as would an 11-1 OSU team this year.
I think one loss teams with conf titles should have a better argument than 2 loss teams in most cases, but 1 loss teams without a conf title (which is rare) are more of a coin flip with 2 loss teams and a conf title. That is why I give Washington the 3rd spot if they win out (and assuming Clemson & Bama win out). No matter what, then you get to two loss teams it's just a lot of relative arguments, so among the 2 loss teams, I am not going to get pissed no matter who gets in for the 4th spot.
Bama is beatable by any team with enough athletes, which is probably 20 teams. Does Alabama lose? Probably not, but they are not unbeatable. They have had better teams under Saban, their defense has been better too. Clemson and Ohio St. probably have the most athletes among the contenders, but a team like Washington, Wisconsin, PSU, Oklahoma, etc all could do it on a good day. There are no bad teams among the contenders for the playoffs, so Bama could certainly get beat.
Penn St. does not suck, unless your definition of sucking is "Bama, and everyone else sucks". They are 10-2 and beat Ohio St. If PSU beats Wisconsin in the title game (assuming they beat Minn), then I think PSU should be in a playoff over Ohio St. PSU has a heads up win over OSU, and conference titles do matter IMO. If it was an 10-3 PSU team winning the conference, that is a different matter, but 10-2 winning it with a win over OSU is a better argument than 11-1, in this case.
As of right now, Alabama and Clemson are the clear favorites for the playoffs. I think if Washington wins out they should get the third spot over anyone else, given 11-1 and the Conf title. Then, there is a lot of relative arguments for the 4th spot. PSU at 11-2 with wins over OSU and Wiscy is a good argument. An 11-1 OSU with a win over Michigan is a good argument, as is Oklahoma at 10-2 and conf title with wins over WVU and OSU. If Florida wins out, they have a good argument too, at 10-2 and a win over Bama and FSU in the last two weeks. Even Wiscy at 10-2 with a win over PSU is an argument. WVU and Okie probably can't get in no matter what, at this point. Even a win over Oklahoma probably doesn't gain enough ground for a 10-2 Okie St., even with a conf title. That loss to CMU just kills them. Whichever 10-2 team that wins the Big 10 CCG would have a better argument anyway, at that point, as would an 11-1 OSU team this year.
I think one loss teams with conf titles should have a better argument than 2 loss teams in most cases, but 1 loss teams without a conf title (which is rare) are more of a coin flip with 2 loss teams and a conf title. That is why I give Washington the 3rd spot if they win out (and assuming Clemson & Bama win out). No matter what, then you get to two loss teams it's just a lot of relative arguments, so among the 2 loss teams, I am not going to get pissed no matter who gets in for the 4th spot.
Soonerfan09
Well-Known Member
Nobody has a good win because everyone sucks.
Oregon was also one of the best teams in the country in 2012 and lost their division.
silverwheels
PLAY LA BAMBA BABY
BCS was gay af
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
I wish I had some Mac & Cheese
goblue96
Disney and Curling Expert
I wish I had access to your razor blades.
CJ_24
Well-Known Member
I do not know if they are, or if they are not. It is a safe assumption that Ohio's wins are better. But of course, Ohio nearly lost to Sparty last week, so we're back to the objective eye test of I think X is better because I saw them do Y.
My argument would be that Bama should not have been in that title game. That year epitomizes the popularity contest model. Everyone in a position to make that decision pre-determined that Bama and LSU were the best, and they were going to be picked unless they gave the committee no other choice than to pick someone else.
My point at bottom is that if your criteria is "the four best teams," you have no objective way to make that determination. It turns into a popularity contest, and it divides the schools into two different regular seasons. Either you're one of the chosen few, who are granted a spot unless you fuck it up; or you are not one of the chosen, and you only get a spot if one of the anointed royally fucks up.
If you want to do away with conferences, and conference championships, there are arguments to be made for that (and it may have my vote, because why the hell rutgers and maryland are in the big ten, missouri is in the sec east, and syracuse is in the acc, etc, I have no idea). As long as we have conference championships, then in my view, there is a good argument to be made that they provide a neutral criteria for birth into the playoff. Granted there are arguments of what do you do with four spots and more than four conference champions, but that is another argument.