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Conference Excretion Thread

DeadMan

DeadMan

aka spiker or DeadMong
Travis7401 said:
CSU fans still believing! THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BUILDING THE NEW STADIUM FOR!
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I'm sort of coming around on that new stadium. I mean, I still think moving from Hughes is dumb because that stadium is in a perfect spot for anybody with a car. But I think the new stadium will be pretty cool, actually.

But yeah, it's not going to get you into the Big 12. And no CSU fans should want that. It looks like CU might finally have only a slightly below average Pac 12 team this year. Only took them 6 years. It will take CSU at least double that to get any traction in any big time conference. The mountain west isn't a fertile recruiting area and CSU isn't going start pulling good players from Texas by joining the Big 12.
 
coogrfan

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silverwheels said:
memphis tears you taste so good...
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"Now that I think about it, I'm glad Memphis didn't make the Big 12. What respectable football program in their right mind would want to be associated with such a hopeless hodgepodge of sinking football programs?"

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goblue96

goblue96

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coogrfan said:
"Now that I think about it, I'm glad Memphis didn't make the Big 12. What respectable football program in their right mind would want to be associated with such a hopeless hodgepodge of sinking football programs?"

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Yes, Mr. Cougar. We are all aware of your thoughts about this subject. :laughing:
 
coogrfan

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Would this be a good time to mention that thru the first two weeks of the season the Big <XII is 4-8 vs FBS opponents?
 
Gatorfan4life

Gatorfan4life

UCF Alumni
There was a point where i felt pretty good about our chances, but I think we're gonna be left out in the cold. Its too bad too. joining the big boy table would give us a real shot at the better florida talent thats currently being monopolized by UF/FSU/UM. We probably wouldnt have to rely on "opening up Texas for recruiting" that wouldnt happen anyway for us or anyone else really. Its possible we'd be quick to reach a respectable level of play.
 
Renegade

Renegade

Charge on!
silverwheels said:
It's sounding more and more like the Big 12 isn't going to expand. No one can agree on anything.
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I think Boren's quote should be interpreted as firing a shot a the little bitch schools that are trying big-time everyone like Iowa State, acting like they're so much better than the candidates. Basically that if they don't get their shit together and agree to what OU wants, expansion won't happen, which implies that OU will start looking for a new home themselves.

But as I said above, I think there's a significant chance this is all a massive troll by the B12 and nothing will happen.
 
Renegade

Renegade

Charge on!
Also, saw USF's presentation to the B12 is posted online. Includes a video of Tony Dungy pitching the school and he does the "hook 'em" hand sign as USF fans do regularly. My understanding is that UT has that trademarked, so I'm really curious how that went over.
 
silverwheels

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I don't know if I'd call it a troll, necessarily. There is a clear hierarchy of power and the sides all want something different.
 
Lightningwar

Lightningwar

Administrator
The Big 12 is like the 2 year old on the toilet. Shit or get off the pot already. If they get off the pot fold so everybody can go on their merry way to other conferences and KU and ISU can drop down to FCS where they belong. And Baylor can join the Texas prison league with Burt Reynolds.
 
silverwheels

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If Texas could, they'd probably go independent with a few fixed rivalries and a rotating mix of other Texas schools, lesser opponents, and a couple of P5 games. OU wants to be in a regional conference with traditional rivals first and a great academic conference second. Obviously everyone wants more money and a degree of stability, but how that happens is different for each school, hence the discord.
 
Snorky's Shame

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silverwheels

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Snorky's Shame said:
Didn't stop them the first time. Texas Christian and West Virginia for Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M is not an even trade. Not even close.
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Those were desperation adds because the conference's TV contract required at least 10 teams at the time or it was voided. If the Big 12 had had more time to analyze the situation then things may have turned out differently. Or not, who knows. But the current Big 12 sucks and it's not going to get any better.
 
silverwheels

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So the Big 12 isn't going to expand but can't stay as is and be financially competitive with the other P5s, which will reduce its competitiveness on the field as time goes on. Dissolving it through defections seems to be what at least some schools are aiming for even if they won't say it, but how? Some of these schools probably won't have a home in a major conference if more than one of the "big" schools (OU, Texas, Kansas) leaves, so they will try to block that. What a mess.
 
Renegade

Renegade

Charge on!
TCU apparently is playing a game where P5 becomes P4 x 16 and figuring they barely slide into that. If UH or other candidates who could outgrow TCU in the B12 get in, then TCU is probably on the outside looking in at the P4.

As to the other schools, they have failed to learn from the Big East. If you're at risk of losing your top programs, there is safety in numbers and it's easier to build up programs while you're still an excellent league than to bring them in later and hope they build up from a lesser stage.
 
Yankee151

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So what does happen to Kansas? I can't imagine basketball revenue is that high in comparison to football, does one of the B4 invite them or do they join something like the Big East for basketball? I mean they'd probably instantly be the best team in the Pac-12. Their football so bad doe
 
silverwheels

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bruin228 said:
Texas sucks so hard. They're gonna come to the Pac and blow it up, too.
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Yeah, they suck because they're egotistical and just generally gay af, although this latest round of bullshit is prolly OU's fault. It's still funny to see what dumb shit Boren/the Big 12 will say one day versus a week later, though.
 
cmq

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silverwheels said:
Yeah, they suck because they're egotistical and just generally gay af, although this latest round of bullshit is prolly OU's fault. It's still funny to see what dumb shit Boren/the Big 12 will say one day versus a week later, though.
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Things is, everyone says that the Big XII does what Texas says. "If Texas wants Houston, they get Houston. If Texas doesn't want Houston, Houston can't join." That's been the prevailing theory for months/years. Fuck that and fuck Texas. They probably deserve to be egotistical, somewhat, I suppose, maybe cuz of their money...? But if they are responsible for the Big XII shitting itself to death, it'd humor me.
 
coogrfan

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cmq said:
Things is, everyone says that the Big XII does what Texas says. "If Texas wants Houston, they get Houston. If Texas doesn't want Houston, Houston can't join." That's been the prevailing theory for months/years. Fuck that and fuck Texas. They probably deserve to be egotistical, somewhat, I suppose, maybe cuz of their money...? But if they are responsible for the Big XII shitting itself to death, it'd humor me.
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Wouldn't be the first conference the Horns killed because it no longer suited them.
 
silverwheels

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Well, by all accounts, it's true, although it wasn't just Oklahoma. The potential expansion to a Pac-16 with Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and two out of Texas Tech, Baylor, and Kansas was just about a DONE DEAL before ESPN gave Texas the Longhorn Network and cancelled the proposed Pac-16, which led to the Pac-10 adding just Utah and Colorado while the Big 12 became the shitshow it is today.
 
jamesnathan

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
I can't remember where I heard it, but someone said that some of the bigger teams that are hoping for the Big XII should make their own conference. Then they'll be in a position to try and grab some of the Big XII schools when it implodes.

I don't know if it's a good idea, but the group below would be pretty decent and probably run better than the Big XII

BYU
Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
Houston
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Rice

I share this to see what others think of the idea.
 
silverwheels

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probably run better than the Big XII
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Not exactly a high bar to clear. :laughing:


That's a decent conference (basically The American but condensed), but what about UCF, USF, and UConn? Three other schools that were in contention for Big 12 expansion spots. They just get left in the wind?
 
jamesnathan

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
Boise State to UConn/UCS/USF is just too far. I guess you could leave out the western most schools and replace them with those on the East Coast. But then you lose BYU and Boise State, two of the biggest name schools in the group.
 
coogrfan

coogrfan

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jamesnathan said:
I can't remember where I heard it, but someone said that some of the bigger teams that are hoping for the Big XII should make their own conference. Then they'll be in a position to try and grab some of the Big XII schools when it implodes.

I don't know if it's a good idea, but the group below would be pretty decent and probably run better than the Big XII

BYU
Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
Houston
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Rice

I share this to see what others think of the idea.
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Seems like a lateral move, at best. What's the point?
 
silverwheels

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coogrfan said:
Seems like a lateral move, at best. What's the point?
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That conference as is would be a lateral move, but if you add some of the former Big 12 schools like Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Iowa State, it would be at the least a small step up from the current American. It's just a thought, anyway. The Big 12 has to implode first, which will probably happen eventually but who knows how it will when it does.
 
jamesnathan

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
And then this morning there is this (http://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/report_nebraska_wants_to_rejoin_big_12/s1_127_22041061):

There has been a lot of talk about the Big 12 wanting to explore conference expansion, especially considering the conference advertises in its title that it has 12 schools, though it now really only has 10.
Between 2010 and 2013, four schools left the conference, reducing it from 12 to eight teams. Those schools included Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri and Colorado. The conference added TCU and West Virginia to make up for the exodus.
Now a report says Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten, wants to rejoin the Big 12.
Radio host Tim Montemayor reported Wednesday that the Cornhuskers want to rejoin the Big 12.
I was told today members of the #BIGXII are willing to let #OU walk because Nebraska has expressed serious interest in rejoining league...
— Tim Montemayor (@TheMontyShow) October 5, 2016
#Nebraska believes they would have access to significant TV money in a new #BIGXII with Texas. #BYU #Hou and #Cincinnati would join
— Tim Montemayor (@TheMontyShow) October 5, 2016
I have heard for going on a year that #Nebraska enjoyed the revenue from the #BIG10 but does not feel their brand has benefited or grown
— Tim Montemayor (@TheMontyShow) October 5, 2016​
Monty was formerly a radio show host in Salt Lake City and was plugged into things going on with BYU, which has interest in joining the new conference, along with Houston and Cincinnati.
Previously, Kansas State's Bill Snyder had said two former Big 12 members wanted to rejoin the conference. His comments over the summer seemed to hint that Nebraska wanted back in, so that would support this report.
Monty also says this new conference, if it were to form, would likely have a new name. He says there isalso some bitterness between rivals Texas and Oklahoma over the Longhorns' efforts to build this new conference, which might not include the Sooners.
Ultimately it seems there are big changes in store for the conference currently known as the Big 12.
 
DeadMan

DeadMan

aka spiker or DeadMong
No way Nebraska gets more TV money in the Big 12 than the Big 10. That's ridiculous. Unless they're going to give them a sweetheart deal, but Nebraska, frankly, does not deserve that.
 
silverwheels

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LOL, the rumor of Nebraska wanting back in the Big 12 was started by one of the Twitter realignment rumormongers with no factual basis just to see who would pick up the "story." They're not coming back to the Big 12. @Brick hatred of Twitter justified.
 
Brick

Brick

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Brick said:
I heard Houston signed a conditional contract a week before the game that if they beat ou, they'd be in. pretty much a done deal at this point. stay tuned in the coming weeks for more Baylor news. more info is still being withheld and don't expect to see the briles holdover coaches on the sidelines much longer after more blood on their hands is shown. ucf and usf are a package deal. so it's them and whomever they deem is houstons ideal pair. but the wrench in it is Baylor because if they go, a fifth team will need to be added to keep 14 and split divisions equally (which will not be geographical, btw). will probably be 2018 until the changes are made.
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