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Conference Excretion Thread

MtneerManiac

MtneerManiac

Burning Couches
Are we really planning on bringing in 2-4 members and giving them chump change in order to line the pockets of the current 10 teams?

Fookin' noice. Sign me up. :laughing:
 
silverwheels

silverwheels

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From the Rivals mainboard:

Word on the street is that an announcement could come as soon as next week. It looks like the 4 schools will be Cincy, Memphis, Houston, and BYU. Still trying to work out the details with BYU on all sports or football only. This comes from the same person that told me on July 1st that the Big 12 would announce they are expanding during the week of Big 12 media days and two weeks later they would anounce the schools. The marketing/merchandising departments of one school has been contacted by the conference and asked if they could have stuff ready by Monday if needed. I'm just sharing what I heard, so TIFWIW and don't shoot the messagenger.
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Grain assault, obvs. Wonder how they would do the divisions if those are the 4 schools. I would think the Texas schools want to stick together.
 
Brick

Brick

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you do realize that Texas Oklahoma joining the pac16 or whatever led to the birth of DONE DEAL being adding to the lexicon, right?
 
Bdub

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Can BYU fans handle going 500 or worse for at least the next 5 years? As we saw with Utah and TCU the transition is not an easy one.
 
coogrfan

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silverwheels said:
From the Rivals mainboard:



Grain assault, obvs. Wonder how they would do the divisions if those are the 4 schools. I would think the Texas schools want to stick together.
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I'm not saying this has anything to do with the above. They'll probably just announce the beginning of some sort of fund raising effort, or a press conference to announce the football teams new uni's, or something even more mundane, but...

 
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jamesnathan

jamesnathan

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People are tweeting that the Houston thing has nothing to do with the Big 12.

A local member of the media said that a BYU person told him some big news was coming the week before the expansion announcement. That grain assault may have something to it since that would indicate that BYU (at least) knew something was in the works. So maybe this wasn't such an immediate reaction to the ACC TV deal like we thought. Perhaps they still knew it was coming, but it wasn't an immediate response; they had time to think what to do after they found out but before the public announcement.

I'd love to see this put to bed quickly. I'd love to see something put out next week.

I have been wondering lately how much of BYU's independence might have prepared them a bit if they did get invited. It's a different jump from this year's schedule to a Big XII schedule than it was from the MWC to the Pac-12. I'm not predicting BYU as Big XIV champs or anything. Just stating I'm curious to see what, if any, shortening of the curve that may have. The change in coaches could negate it all, though (although who knows how quickly they may pick it all up?).
 
jamesnathan

jamesnathan

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Bdub said:
Can BYU fans handle going 500 or worse for at least the next 5 years? As we saw with Utah and TCU the transition is not an easy one.
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Also, this implies you don't think BYU fans would be patient as the transition happens. I think most know that any recruiting changes this could make would take a few years to be seen (possibly even a couple of years longer than Utah and TCU when you consider the potential for some of the recruits to serve missions).

And don't take that to mean I think BYU will get every blue chip that's LDS. I know that won't be the case. But I think recruiting will see improvement. They won't get everyone, but they should get more than they are getting now or were getting in the MWC.
 
jamesnathan

jamesnathan

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Sorry for the triple post. I'm working while I type all of this.

I forgot to mention that the local media I cited above said he'd commented to a Big XII person that he had the impression BYU had an 80% of getting an invite. The other person said the odds were better than that.

Not guaranteeing anything. I would not be shocked to see BYU completely left out (or for this to go into next year). Just reporting what has been reported.
 
Bdub

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jamesnathan said:
Also, this implies you don't think BYU fans would be patient as the transition happens. I think most know that any recruiting changes this could make would take a few years to be seen (possibly even a couple of years longer than Utah and TCU when you consider the potential for some of the recruits to serve missions).

And don't take that to mean I think BYU will get every blue chip that's LDS. I know that won't be the case. But I think recruiting will see improvement. They won't get everyone, but they should get more than they are getting now or were getting in the MWC.
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I think lots of BYU fans think they are better than they really are. We thought the same about Utah. It's just a depth issue, BYU is a top 25 team every year because they can they can just about beat anyone. The problem is they can't legitimately beat 5 top 20 teams in a row because their backups are scrubs. That will take years to build that depth. Only last year did Utah have backups that where as good as their starters at almost every position.
In regard to a recruiting bump I think they will benefit most from the extra money. They can hire good coaches with proven records that are really good recruiters.

Also had to take my niece to byu today. My wife thought it best we put this on our car.
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coogrfan

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coogrfan said:
I'm not saying this has anything to do with the above. They'll probably just announce the beginning of some sort of fund raising effort, or a press conference to announce the football teams new uni's, or something even more mundane, but...

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Renegade

Renegade

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The idea that they might take football – only schools is huge for BYU. It resolves the Sunday play issue. If you assume that the two all-sport additions will be more geographically proximate to the conference, that would point to Cincinnati and either Colorado State or Houston. It would also suggest that they're open to another geographic outlier for football, since it doesn't place the same travel demands on everyone.

From my perspective, absolutely happy to take football-only. Not ideal, but more than happy to put our Olympic sports back in the Atlantic Sun and dominate the hell out of that conference for a few years. I think reality is that once you're in the big 12, eventually you'll get in for all-sports.
 
Rutgers Mike

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Renegade said:
The idea that they might take football – only schools is huge for BYU. It resolves the Sunday play issue. If you assume that the two all-sport additions will be more geographically proximate to the conference, that would point to Cincinnati and either Colorado State or Houston. It would also suggest that they're open to another geographic outlier for football, since it doesn't place the same travel demands on everyone.

From my perspective, absolutely happy to take football-only. Not ideal, but more than happy to put our Olympic sports back in the Atlantic Sun and dominate the hell out of that conference for a few years. I think reality is that once you're in the big 12, eventually you'll get in for all-sports.
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UConn would sell their soul for a football-only spot. They could put their other sports in the Big East.
 
bruin228

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I'm just ready for realignment round 3 so UConn just drop down to FCS in football and play basketball in the Big East.
 
Renegade

Renegade

Charge on!
Rutgers Mike said:
UConn would sell their soul for a football-only spot. They could put their other sports in the Big East.
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Yeah, but why the hell would the Big 12 want UConn football but not get the basketball? And I'm actually not so sure the Catholic schools are open to inviting a public institution in, even one they have so much history with.
 
Rutgers Mike

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Renegade said:
Yeah, but why the hell would the Big 12 want UConn football but not get the basketball? And I'm actually not so sure the Catholic schools are open to inviting a public institution in, even one they have so much history with.
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I don't know. Like I said, they should just go to 16 and cover their flanks. It's not like I think UConn or UCF/USF are an ideal fit for that conference, but they probably deserve seats at the table.
 
goblue96

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Renegade said:
Yeah, but why the hell would the Big 12 want UConn football but not get the basketball? And I'm actually not so sure the Catholic schools are open to inviting a public institution in, even one they have so much history with.
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The Catllick schools aren't going to get burned twice by ruining their basketball conference by adding Footbaw schools even if that school isn't bring their Footbaw team to the conference.
 
goblue96

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R2D2 said:
Add UConn to the Pac-12, along with Maine. Because fuck your geographics.
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In field hockey (yes, I realize I'm the only person on the board who gives a shit about a college field hockey), the America East has two divisions.

East: Albany, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, UMass-Lowell
West: Stanford, Cal, University of the Pacific, UC-Davis
 
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jamesnathan

jamesnathan

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Ideas being floated out there that Fox and ESPN may just offer more money to make current members happy and just stay at 10. If it's just about a money-grab, this idea makes sense. If it's about trying to keep up, trying to solidify the conference, and try to prepare in case TX/OU leave later, then it won't matter.
 
Renegade

Renegade

Charge on!
jamesnathan said:
Ideas being floated out there that Fox and ESPN may just offer more money to make current members happy and just stay at 10. If it's just about a money-grab, this idea makes sense. If it's about trying to keep up, trying to solidify the conference, and try to prepare in case TX/OU leave later, then it won't matter.
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I think it's more likely that Fox will welcome the expansion as the Tier 1 rights holder to expand the TV markets. ESPN, as the Tier 2 holder, doesn't desire to pay more when they are tightening their belts in Bristol. I also think that based on Fox owning the Pac-12 and B12 plus splitting the B1G, they will want Eastern time-zone TV markets. They only have a few of them in the B1G, so filling out their time-slot offerings is easiest with eastern schools. I don't think that rules out BYU, which is going to draw well, but I think CSU and any other Central or Mountain TZ school isn't going to be a serious player for Fox.
 
goblue96

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What east coast markets aren't covered by the B1G:

PSU - Philly
Rutgers - NYC
UMD - Baltimore/DC

Boston? They give zero fucks about college football
Detroit? Covered by Michigan and MSU

Southern Mid-Atlantic and Southeast markets are covered by the ACC and SEC. B12 may be on the outside looking in at the east coast.
 
Rutgers Mike

Rutgers Mike

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I don't even know what Renegade is talking about. Time zones don't matter besides the Pacific where you can add a 4th TV window and fill your programming Windows from Noon ET to 2 am. Fox already has a bunch of those rights with their Pac12 rights.

As far as my thoughts on the whole thing, if it's just about money then fine, let the networks throw another $50 million a year in the kitty and the rich get richer. On the other hand, there is strength in numbers. I always wanted the Big East to be more proactive and add a few teams sooner and you could pull them up closer to your level. Is 16 teams viable? Probably not but I think their always has to be a fear of the Pac12 making another attempt at 16 teams.
 
silverwheels

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http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-the-big-12-might-not-expand-after-all-081716

Stewart: I live in Houston and have a few contacts who are very close with UH athletics. They believe Big 12 expansion talk is in fact a cover-up designed to take media attention off the Baylor scandal. They are convinced as soon as the season gets here and either Texas beats Notre Dame, or TCU beats Arkansas, or Oklahoma beats Ohio State, they’ll announce they've found it best to stick with 10.

-- Mark in Houston

I don’t know about the conspiracy theory (though anything’s possible in realignment), but there does remain a very real possibility – about 40 percent, if not higher – that the conference will eventually make that very announcement.

There are several reasons why.

First of all, nearly a month after the initial announcement about entertaining expansion candidates, I’ve still yet to hear any real enthusiasm or tangible reasoning from within the conference as to why they would do this. The Big 12 presidents, in their July 19 meeting, clearly heard something from their consultants to convince them they could no longer sit put, but with distance they may start realizing the negatives outweigh the positives.

Speaking of which, it’s no secret the league’s television partners want nothing to do with expansion. They’re obligated to pay whomever the conference adds, but they’d rather not. I could see a scenario where this whole thing ends with the Big 12 squeezing a little more out of ESPN and FOX in exchange for staying at 10 teams.

And finally, whether they realized it or not, this public bakeoff the presidents touched off among the various contenders is not healthy for anyone. Schools lobbying politicians and engaging in social media campaigns – all the while still competing in their current conferences – is creating tremendous pressure on all involved. If, in fact, this ends with the Big 12 presidents picking, say, BYU and Cincinnati, there will be incredible anger and bitterness from Houston, Memphis and the like. People may lose their jobs over it.

Of course, there will be unified anger and bitterness if it turns out this whole thing was a charade and the league isn’t expanding at all. But of course hurt feelings are inevitable when it comes to conference realignment.
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