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2043 Off Season Thread
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Okay I'm going to post this in as many places as I can.
Tonight/Tomorrow is arbitration and contract extension time. You'll need to do both and export by tomorrow night.
Tomorrow at 11ish CST I'll sim to preseason and get the draft up. This will kick off FA/IFA/draft.
Sunday through Wednesday we will sim 3 in-game days at a time. After that we will bump it to 5.
Tonight/Tomorrow is arbitration and contract extension time. You'll need to do both and export by tomorrow night.
Tomorrow at 11ish CST I'll sim to preseason and get the draft up. This will kick off FA/IFA/draft.
Sunday through Wednesday we will sim 3 in-game days at a time. After that we will bump it to 5.
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doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
So here is who I am willing to move:
RF DLS-- ho hum just another 5 WAR year. Salary decreases over the life of his deal. Isn't a great fit in my ballpark but still produced an a elite elite defensive player.
SP Abel Hernandez - Due $19m but with a weak FA class amongst SP get quality while you can.
3B Cesar Sanchez - Willing to move if I canget a good haul back with McHeshi perhaps becoming my full-time 3B
DH/LHP Cliff Johnson- great vs RHP and more than a K/IP as a LH specialist.
Wants
C … stop gap 2-3 year type
1B
2B … stop gap 1-2 year type
Pitching… stop gap or long-term
RF DLS-- ho hum just another 5 WAR year. Salary decreases over the life of his deal. Isn't a great fit in my ballpark but still produced an a elite elite defensive player.
SP Abel Hernandez - Due $19m but with a weak FA class amongst SP get quality while you can.
3B Cesar Sanchez - Willing to move if I canget a good haul back with McHeshi perhaps becoming my full-time 3B
DH/LHP Cliff Johnson- great vs RHP and more than a K/IP as a LH specialist.
Wants
C … stop gap 2-3 year type
1B
2B … stop gap 1-2 year type
Pitching… stop gap or long-term
jdlikewhoa
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NML
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20 million for Free Agents?!?
I think I have around $80m
Lloyd Carr
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Question about Arbitration.
So a guy's estimate is $1,400,000 and the rules say you must pay him at least 80% of that estimation. So if I wanted to extend said player, could I front load his contract and then have future years below that 80% mark?
For instance, a contract like: $3/4 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1
Averaging the years, he won't go below that 80% mark if you average out the contract, but it'd help me out by using the cap space I have now rather than trying to fit it in when my other players are going to start wanting to get paid. Granted it's only $.5mil every year, but that is essentially an extra minimum guy I could have on the roster each year.
Or do I have to have it at least 80% every year? So $1.12 - $1.12 - etc... (He likely won't want to do that low, so I'd be looking more at $1.5 or more each year long term).
So a guy's estimate is $1,400,000 and the rules say you must pay him at least 80% of that estimation. So if I wanted to extend said player, could I front load his contract and then have future years below that 80% mark?
For instance, a contract like: $3/4 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1 - $1
Averaging the years, he won't go below that 80% mark if you average out the contract, but it'd help me out by using the cap space I have now rather than trying to fit it in when my other players are going to start wanting to get paid. Granted it's only $.5mil every year, but that is essentially an extra minimum guy I could have on the roster each year.
Or do I have to have it at least 80% every year? So $1.12 - $1.12 - etc... (He likely won't want to do that low, so I'd be looking more at $1.5 or more each year long term).
Read the rules again. Your question is answered in them. @Lloyd Carr
All pre-arbitration extensions must be at least 80% of the player's arbitration estimate at the time of signing. Example: Player's arbitration estimate for 2023: $5 milliom Correctly structured contract extension: 2023 $4m, 2024 $4m, 2025 $4m or 2023 $3m, 2024 $4m, 2025 $5m Incorrectly structured contract extension: 2023 $1m, 2024 $1m, 2025 $1m
All pre-arbitration extensions must be at least 80% of the player's arbitration estimate at the time of signing. Example: Player's arbitration estimate for 2023: $5 milliom Correctly structured contract extension: 2023 $4m, 2024 $4m, 2025 $4m or 2023 $3m, 2024 $4m, 2025 $5m Incorrectly structured contract extension: 2023 $1m, 2024 $1m, 2025 $1m
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Price?
jdlikewhoa
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Best offer? A good RP or MI, or prospect, or draft picks. With Keine coming up I don't really need him. If anyone tries to fleece me he'll just go to my 'pen.
Lloyd Carr
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That doesn't really explain it though. I am dense as shit until I fully understand a concept. I'm still not even sure if the contract I mentioned would be legitimate or not. I'm not all that familiar with arbitration, so I'm not sure what works and what doesn't. Just based on pure assumption through looking at that bit in the FAQ (which is what I used to base my previous post on):
In A and B, the overall average salary during the length of the contract matches the minimum 80% requirement of the arbitration estimate. The contract may be under the 80% the fist year (option B), but it all evens out given it goes over in the final year. In C, the one that fails, the salary doesn't ever average out to meet that 80% requirement. So just going by that part in the FAQ, it looks like the only requirement is that the contract extension (rather than going to arbitration) must average out so that for the duration of the contract, there cannot be a year that (averaged out) would go under than 80% arbitration estimate.
In the example I provided, the salary over the duration of the contract would average out to meet (actually exceed) the 80% requirement for arbitration. If you spread out the money evenly, no year would ever dip below that 80%. I would just front load the money the first year, so as to alleviate cap space in the future.
So is it legitimate to front load? From my understanding, the contract I mentioned would be in line with option B, but I want to be certain.
Lloyd Carr
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So how would the contract differ from option B?
I'm trying to understand so I don't have to ask approval for all my arbitration contracts every year.
I'm trying to understand so I don't have to ask approval for all my arbitration contracts every year.
Rutgers Mike
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They took all my moneys 
Lloyd Carr
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I guess I can understand not wanting to front load like that, as what would stop me from just offering him a contract like: 10mil - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0?
I can see how some would be against that kind of contract and how it'd allow me to manipulate the cap space. I'd take the hit this year (when I have a lot of room), but then I'd be spending nothing for the player for the next five years (when I'd be short on room). I'm going to assume that is what would make the contract suggestion illegitimate, as logically the player is still being paid the guaranteed sum regardless of how much he gets each year (and thus not being fucked over).
I can see how some would be against that kind of contract and how it'd allow me to manipulate the cap space. I'd take the hit this year (when I have a lot of room), but then I'd be spending nothing for the player for the next five years (when I'd be short on room). I'm going to assume that is what would make the contract suggestion illegitimate, as logically the player is still being paid the guaranteed sum regardless of how much he gets each year (and thus not being fucked over).
jdlikewhoa
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I thought Wendell did the original front loading and we allowed it because it acted as a "signing bonus" ... I don't think that was an arb case though.
Who did I front load?
Who did I front load?
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
It was one of your really good prospects and the contract was like 8m, 6m, 5m, 5m or something when his estimate was 8m. It wasn't egregious or anything but we had already did the 80% rule, we just hadn't applied it to years after the 1st yet.
I think my argument back then was that why would a guy sign for 3/4 years, making his arb estimate the first year and then make less money (when arbitration will always raise your salary)? If you offered him that extension irl he'd just ask for a 1-year deal to make 8m, 8.5m, 9m, 10m, etc. If the front portion is more than the estimate it makes more sense, I guess.
I think my argument back then was that why would a guy sign for 3/4 years, making his arb estimate the first year and then make less money (when arbitration will always raise your salary)? If you offered him that extension irl he'd just ask for a 1-year deal to make 8m, 8.5m, 9m, 10m, etc. If the front portion is more than the estimate it makes more sense, I guess.
Thats right. It was his second contract. We made the other rule for that reason. I know @doh was the one really against front loading.
Its normal sim time tonight.
jdlikewhoa
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Ah yes. I think it was Browning. Greatest 1B of all time
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I was against 15-5-5 deals. I think the one with DLS is very fair.
We weren't slowing down that's for sure. I do kind of miss the smaller divisions.
Lloyd Carr
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In everyone's experience, if you offer arbitration, how do the player's salary demands change the following year?
If you plan on keeping a player for more than a year, should you go to arbitration or offer an extension straight out of the gate?
Are these trade secrets and unanswerable?
If you plan on keeping a player for more than a year, should you go to arbitration or offer an extension straight out of the gate?
Are these trade secrets and unanswerable?
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
Yeah this is only arb deals because actual arbitration only increases so it wouldn't make sense to sign a contract that decreases over the arbitration period.
LC: If you let a player get arb he will want more than the previous year, so it depends how good of an increase you think he will get after getting his first arb contract. Sometimes the risk isn't worth taking though, my last 3 or 4 extensions have busted hard
LC: If you let a player get arb he will want more than the previous year, so it depends how good of an increase you think he will get after getting his first arb contract. Sometimes the risk isn't worth taking though, my last 3 or 4 extensions have busted hard
Always extend. If it is a MR you can get away with arb though
Lloyd Carr
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One more: If you offer arbitration, do most players take an offer that is within reason? Should I offer whatever the estimate is, or undercut it by like 15-20%? If they think I undercut them too much, what happens then? Do they just go to FA and then I have to bid against the rest of you'll?
If they want more than one year, youre going to have a tough time negotiating. If they want something like 6M for 1 year you can offer 5 years at 80% and theyll accept
I went to arb with Doodles. I wasn't sure I ever wanted him longer than the one season.
BTW, if you only want them one year, just offer them a one year deal matching their arb estimate and they normally accept. The players morale is better and in my experience I normally lose arb cases and they get higher than their estimate.
BTW, if you only want them one year, just offer them a one year deal matching their arb estimate and they normally accept. The players morale is better and in my experience I normally lose arb cases and they get higher than their estimate.
I'll add-on to this saying they will accept anywhere from 3-5 years at 80%. If they have already gone to arb once they normally won't accept less than their estimate.
Yeah i was only speaking about players who havent been to arb yet
Lloyd Carr
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Horseshit they will. At least not these MR's I want to resign.