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World Cup- Semifinal thread
- Thread starter Karl Hungus
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Well you have to remember this isn't the finals and they have a game to play in 4 days. Plus hamstrings tend to go out about that point when you've been on the field for 2 hours+. It is just basically injuries and they have a game shortly
Bruce Wayne
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No sarcasm, unless those two trapped me. The main reason for the game yesterday is they have to play in 4 days. You go 150 minutes because nobody can score with no extra subs and they auto lose SundayWait...what?
oh, now I get it. Sarcasm.
Bruce Wayne
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Well, i read that wrong then.
perhaps these guys would be motivated to score in regulation if they new they couldn't be bailed out by PKs?
Haha, they aren't bailed out by PKs. It is a crap shoot. Netherlands definitely got bailed out yesterday as they lost.
Bruce Wayne
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Bailed out as in not having to keep playing and being to tired to compete in four days.
Well yeah, nobody wants that. Not the fans, not the players, not FIFA. Well a group of 23 guys and corches do, Germany. I guess some Americans do too, because they want to watch awful soccer.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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I was thinking this
Such a terrible sport this is
Pro wrestling is more of an athletic endeavor
Give these guys 30 second shifts and play all day
Get back to me when the guys on the ice have been out there for 120 minutes without subbing in and out of the game every 27 seconds.
They don't. But they sit for about 2/3 of the game.
They have line shifts. With only 3 subs total in soccer it just becomes excruciating to watch, especially when both teams are "playing not to lose" like they were yesterday. Playing not to lose + ultra tired players = why 'murica hates soccer. That game could have gone on for days, lol. Just end the misery and move on.
Indeed.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
Didn't FIFA at one time just use Sudden Death at the end of extra time? Instead of having a mandatory 30 minute overtime in which both teams go into a defensive shell and figure they'll just try their luck in PKs, just do away with extra time altogether and make Sudden Death standard after 90 minutes of play, with an additional 3 subs.
Milo
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MLS did, too.
ZeekLTK
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If you move it back much further (just outside of the box is what I assume you mean) it becomes a free kick, and very few of those are scored. Most of the time the only reason they are scored is because the keeper can't see the ball coming in because of all the people in front of him and reacts too slow, or because he has to worry about other options such as "what if they pass it or cross it instead of just shoot it", so sometimes shots catch him by surprise.
If you just had a "shootout" with one guy taking a free kick and only the goalie, there is no one in the keeper's way and there are no other options besides shooting, so I think the goalie would stop like 98% of the shots.
Then we would be in here complaining that it took 30 minutes to determine a winner because no one could score.
Although I understand the unappealing aspect of the amount of luck involved, I don't think I've watched a shootout yet this tournament where there hasn't been 2-3 saves. Considering the keeper "has no chance", saving 20-30% of the shots seems like a pretty good amount. Also thinking that Krul should have saved an additional one and that last shot yesterday basically hit Cileesen in the face and should have been saved.
Yea isn't there some skill involved I. They krul can stop all these shots but the guy ned had in yesterday is now 0/20 lifetime stopping shots?
if everything was alway 5-4 or 6-5 or 7-6 because the kicks can't be stopped I'd say there needs to be a change. As it is now go with what it is.
if everything was alway 5-4 or 6-5 or 7-6 because the kicks can't be stopped I'd say there needs to be a change. As it is now go with what it is.
ZeekLTK
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I used to hate the "luck" aspect but then I realized that the only reason they are doing PKs is because the match ended in a draw. Neither team did enough to advance. You can't do tiebreakers, because obviously there are none: goal difference? same, goals scored? same, head to head? same, etc. You gave them 33% more time than they would normally have to determine a winner and they still didn't. At this point, neither deserves to advance more than the other, so you do something "luck" based to decide who does. You could flip a coin, or you could do something that is at least soccer-related and have a PK shootout.
Other options just don't make sense:
-Free kicks or corner kicks have such a low scoring percentage that it wouldn't be an efficient way to determine a winner
-Using other stats from the game itself as tiebreakers would alter how the game is played (if you say, fine no team can be separated by goal difference or goals scored then whoever has the most corners... but then teams will actively try to get corner kicks during the game, and that actually changes how the game is played, so that's no good - just imagine in the last 5 minutes of a game, teams trying to kick the ball off defenders for corner kicks rather than trying to score goals because it's way easier to get 3-4 corner kicks to win a tiebreaker than it is to get the 1 goal needed to win. If you count shots, teams will just shoot low percentage shots from distance to rack up that number which simultaneously decreases their chance of actually scoring... basically, non-goal tiebreakers would suck even more).
-Continue playing is too straining on the players
= PKs are the best option, even if it "sucks" - but it's fair because the team who "wins" didn't do enough to advance anyways, so they ARE lucky to advance at all
Other options just don't make sense:
-Free kicks or corner kicks have such a low scoring percentage that it wouldn't be an efficient way to determine a winner
-Using other stats from the game itself as tiebreakers would alter how the game is played (if you say, fine no team can be separated by goal difference or goals scored then whoever has the most corners... but then teams will actively try to get corner kicks during the game, and that actually changes how the game is played, so that's no good - just imagine in the last 5 minutes of a game, teams trying to kick the ball off defenders for corner kicks rather than trying to score goals because it's way easier to get 3-4 corner kicks to win a tiebreaker than it is to get the 1 goal needed to win. If you count shots, teams will just shoot low percentage shots from distance to rack up that number which simultaneously decreases their chance of actually scoring... basically, non-goal tiebreakers would suck even more).
-Continue playing is too straining on the players
= PKs are the best option, even if it "sucks" - but it's fair because the team who "wins" didn't do enough to advance anyways, so they ARE lucky to advance at all
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Keith1212
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Set the ball on the middle line and the goalie gets to react instead of guess and pk's aren't so much of a crap shoot. It's probably two yards of difference but I think it would be enough. I understand the basis behind them, I just think the execution is off. The ball doesn't have to be outside the box but it's way too close as it is now.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
I think that would actually make it more difficult for the goalie to prevent the goal.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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So is Brazil good
Brick
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how about both teams are eliminated if the game ends in a tie after 120 minutes? that would be some incentive to score.
i get what zeek is saying that no team "deserves" to win so a tie is just in that sense. but we are not talking about a single game. we are talking about a tournament where you are advancing to win a shampship.
i get what zeek is saying that no team "deserves" to win so a tie is just in that sense. but we are not talking about a single game. we are talking about a tournament where you are advancing to win a shampship.
NML
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I think you are very wrong
Milo
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The wall is advantageous to the defense, too(that's why they do it.) The main reason those kicks aren't on target or don't beat the goalkeeper is because players can't take direct shots.
Watch any decent team do warm-ups before a game when they are taking shots from just outside the box. They should be hitting the net regularly*(yes, keeper is typically not going all out.)
*UNLESS YOU ARE JOHN ARNE RIISE
Watch any decent team do warm-ups before a game when they are taking shots from just outside the box. They should be hitting the net regularly*(yes, keeper is typically not going all out.)
*UNLESS YOU ARE JOHN ARNE RIISE
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I feel like you should let Americans run the sport for a while.
jdlikewhoa
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Brick
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lmfao at grantland fellating robben here: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/world-cup-pass-move-semi-charmed-lives/
performance for the ages?
i'm pretty sure the netherlands failed to score in 240 consecutive minutes in the last two rounds.
wat
performance for the ages?
i'm pretty sure the netherlands failed to score in 240 consecutive minutes in the last two rounds.
wat
hayvis
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Karl Hungus
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So Javier Mascherano tore his anus in yesterday's game.
hayvis
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hayvis
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