He said pretty much the same thing to me haha. Luckily, I have.
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Reel Report OOTP Edition: San Francisco Tanners
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He said pretty much the same thing to me haha. Luckily, I have.
ZackMills
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I'm not sure, that 45 contact rating is usually a killer, so I'd expect him to hit around .220, which he did, but he'd have at least played really good defense (likely better than Conner). As long as he plays that 80 level defense he should project as a slightly +WAR player, but I'd never recommend playing someone with a projected .220 AVG unless you are completely stuck with them due to injury or whatever (like I was with TAGG). Lomond is a guy I'd give a roster spot as a minimum salary defensive sub and utility player, but that's about it.
Ratings wise, Al Conner should be a very good player, but he's never really played to his ratings and his .220 batting average last year was more what you'd expect out of a 45 contact player instead of a 60 contact player. He's still got a relatively small pro sample size, so he could play up to his ratings eventually, but I'd only give him one more chance.
If Connor is back next season, I'd give him one more year as the starter, otherwise I'd be looking for a stop gap via either FA or trade.
Ratings wise, Al Conner should be a very good player, but he's never really played to his ratings and his .220 batting average last year was more what you'd expect out of a 45 contact player instead of a 60 contact player. He's still got a relatively small pro sample size, so he could play up to his ratings eventually, but I'd only give him one more chance.
If Connor is back next season, I'd give him one more year as the starter, otherwise I'd be looking for a stop gap via either FA or trade.
ZackMills
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The Coral trade is almost complete. Just got to pick my third rounder before we analyze it. FYI, Zachary Mills had a great season in AAI remember Lomond. Vazquez gon be good.
ZackMills
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I was going to do exactly this before you shit on him with your Trog award
I keep looking at his ratings and saying he should be at least league average (which I'll take from 2B), but he just doesn't produce close to them.I suppose I could give him another shot and have Lomond as my backup plan.
I actually liked Mills as a prospect. You should win this trade long term, but I liked the move for both of us.The Coral trade is almost complete. Just got to pick my third rounder before we analyze it. FYI, Zachary Mills had a great season in AA
I was going to do exactly this before you shit on him with your Trog award
I suppose I could give him another shot and have Lomond as my backup plan.
I think sometimes players just get off on the wrong foot and then get a long "cold" streak and just never break out of it and way under perform for a season. If they aren't at the age where you are worried about them declining due to it being the twilight of their career, it might be worth seeing if it was just a one year anomaly. He really should hit at least .250+, even if his "60" contact rating is WAY off and he's more like a 50.
That's what happened to Caden Trail for me in 2049. He started out cold and then even when I'd try to rotate him into the lineup (because he should have been good) he'd just play even worse. He ended up hitting .183 for the season when he'd usually been more of a .240 guy (average in rigger stadium). I let him walk because he was a borderline trog star and he ended up performing pretty well for @Lloyd Carr this season.
ZackMills
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He definitely started off cold (I thought @Gooksta was joking/being an ass when he proposed a trade for him), so I sent him off to AAA to get right (he tore up AAA) and he just continued the cold streak when he returned.
In hindsight, I really should have pulled the trigger on that trade. Not because he ended up sucking, but because his news section would have been awesome
Signed with SF for one year deal
Traded to KW
Signed with SF for one year deal
Traded to KW
In hindsight, I really should have pulled the trigger on that trade. Not because he ended up sucking, but because his news section would have been awesome
Signed with SF for one year deal
Traded to KW
Signed with SF for one year deal
Traded to KW
Thank the lawd
ZackMills
Have mercy
The two posts above were made a month apart about this young man. I now think it is plausible that @Reel was running this team with someone else and that mystery man was allowed to post here.
Reel, maybe you did rush Compton by starting him in AAA. Or maybe it was demoting him to AA after his second year in AAA after he posted 100+ RC+ (and got a cup of coffee in the WBL). Or maybe it was the demotion to A in his fifth professional year that truly crushed his spirits.
Explain yourself!
That one is my new favorite I think The best part is he took it in stride when he was demoted the first time, and relatively in stride when he was demoted to A. What a trooper.
The best part is he took it in stride when he was demoted the first time, and relatively in stride when he was demoted to A. What a trooper.
Yeah, we really did smash you with an 8x combo, I almost felt bad.
ZackMills
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Probably for specific players, but there are some patterns I'd like explanations for. Namely:
-Why start high drafted players in AAA? (I've seen this a lot and the CPU ain't doing it, so @Reel can't blame the AI for that)
-Why take these players and demoted them all the way to A (over the course of two years) when they don't produce? Why didn't you see the pattern that these players weren't doing well by starting them too high?
-Why give some high drafted players two or three years in A before promoting them?
-Why did some high drafted players start in AAA while others spent years in A before a promotion?
-What metrics were you using for promotions and demotions?
this is the one time i will give any serious answers as I've said this to numerous people since i came back to OOTP.
I DO NOT understand baseball. I'll type it one more time just to drive the point home. I DO NOT understand baseball.
Initially i was trying to run my teams like I would a basketball or football team. If you have a stud, you play him immediately and hope he gets his lumps early, but also hoping, he will work out as a pro. This proved to be a disaster b/c I never took into account how much different HS/COL would be from the WBL with some of these guys, so to answer the question more directly, I drafted a stud early, and started him instead of wasting time in the minors where he could've gotten injured, then we play the waiting game to see if he would ever return to his pre-draft hype/form.
Then, i think it was a combination of JD, Gooksta, maybe Wendell, and JD who would all chime in and offer their pieces of advice.
I think Gooksta was the one who mentioned something about the number of ABs/ in helping to determine as a general rule, when to move someone up. I cant remember what the advice was on pitchers, but i think maybe IP?
-Why take these players and demoted them all the way to A (over the course of two years) when they don't produce? Why didn't you see the pattern that these players weren't doing well by starting them too high?
My thought was these guys were ready day one. When after a season or two, i saw that they werent, i thought moving them down would help them regain their confidence and attributes. Some times they did, but most times they didnt. To me, it just said, they werent as good a prospect as the scout predicted. I just dont see them just bombing like that if they were the real deal.
-Why give some high drafted players two or three years in A before promoting them?
Pretty much the opposite of the previous response. I was afraid that if I moved them too soon, they wouldnt be ready, then stink, therefore, another season picking in the top 5 b/c these guys are obviously not ready to be called up to the WBL
-Why did some high drafted players start in AAA while others spent years in A before a promotion?
a combination of the previous answers
-What metrics were you using for promotions and demotions?
ERA, k/BBs, Batting Avg, and i cant remember the very last stat that sorta functioned as the win share.
My biggest issue(s) was the fact that I:
1) dont understand all the intricacies and nuances with baseball development/team building
2) im not patient enough to see a guy sit in the minors for years before you call him up
I still think its a crap shoot at how this game determines success of a player. I may have not had the best FA classes in the history of the WBL, but I signed a decent guy here an there, and they didnt do jack shit for my club, but they were very good role players or very good players on other people's teams.
I DO NOT understand baseball. I'll type it one more time just to drive the point home. I DO NOT understand baseball.
Initially i was trying to run my teams like I would a basketball or football team. If you have a stud, you play him immediately and hope he gets his lumps early, but also hoping, he will work out as a pro. This proved to be a disaster b/c I never took into account how much different HS/COL would be from the WBL with some of these guys, so to answer the question more directly, I drafted a stud early, and started him instead of wasting time in the minors where he could've gotten injured, then we play the waiting game to see if he would ever return to his pre-draft hype/form.
Then, i think it was a combination of JD, Gooksta, maybe Wendell, and JD who would all chime in and offer their pieces of advice.
I think Gooksta was the one who mentioned something about the number of ABs/ in helping to determine as a general rule, when to move someone up. I cant remember what the advice was on pitchers, but i think maybe IP?
-Why take these players and demoted them all the way to A (over the course of two years) when they don't produce? Why didn't you see the pattern that these players weren't doing well by starting them too high?
My thought was these guys were ready day one. When after a season or two, i saw that they werent, i thought moving them down would help them regain their confidence and attributes. Some times they did, but most times they didnt. To me, it just said, they werent as good a prospect as the scout predicted. I just dont see them just bombing like that if they were the real deal.
-Why give some high drafted players two or three years in A before promoting them?
Pretty much the opposite of the previous response. I was afraid that if I moved them too soon, they wouldnt be ready, then stink, therefore, another season picking in the top 5 b/c these guys are obviously not ready to be called up to the WBL
-Why did some high drafted players start in AAA while others spent years in A before a promotion?
a combination of the previous answers
-What metrics were you using for promotions and demotions?
ERA, k/BBs, Batting Avg, and i cant remember the very last stat that sorta functioned as the win share.
My biggest issue(s) was the fact that I:
1) dont understand all the intricacies and nuances with baseball development/team building
2) im not patient enough to see a guy sit in the minors for years before you call him up
I still think its a crap shoot at how this game determines success of a player. I may have not had the best FA classes in the history of the WBL, but I signed a decent guy here an there, and they didnt do jack shit for my club, but they were very good role players or very good players on other people's teams.
I love you reel. Please don't make this a one time thing, I only wish we'd have played in the WBL at the same time. That's half the reason I joined.
the thought was a year = a certain of AB's. Once that number of ABs was achieved, promoted they go
edit: if the rosters were relatively small, then the number of ABs was increased faster than anticipated. this also had to do with my inability to constantly monitor injuries to the roster
edit: if the rosters were relatively small, then the number of ABs was increased faster than anticipated. this also had to do with my inability to constantly monitor injuries to the roster
ZackMills
Have mercy
Oh it's already in. I put that in first thing, it's my favorite logo at the moment. I'll upload the folders soon..
one thing that also bothered me about this game was the lack of quality FA. If you are a struggling team who is essentially in draft purgatory, its hard (at least for me) to wait for your picks to amount to anything when in the meantime, you can sign a veteran and hope he fills a void until said prospect is ready to be called up.
This is/was probably one my biggest frustrations and deterrents from continuing to play. I have all this fake money, but no quality people to spend it on. Then, the demand set by these players is super unrealistic imo. How does an aging player, who is on his way out of the league, still request $18M per? WAT?? Then all the good players are constantly locked up by the better teams in the league. You really have to hope you land on some good guys in the draft. Which brings me to another point. The talent pool drops off a gigantic cliff after the 2nd round. You might find a gem in the 3rd, MAYBE the 4th, but not enough prospects that will actually amount to middle of the road talent.
But back to the FA, you try and low ball them or, really pay them what they are worth at that point in their career, and they clam up and cut off negotiations.
And the bump in ratings from international players is laughable. Why even put them in the game if they cant make meaningful contributions. Maybe my expectations are just too high or something, but it amazes me how bad most of the international prospects are. You might find one or two and maybe thats how its supposed to be IRL or something. I honestly dont know, but for a simulation baseball game, it fucking blows.
This is/was probably one my biggest frustrations and deterrents from continuing to play. I have all this fake money, but no quality people to spend it on. Then, the demand set by these players is super unrealistic imo. How does an aging player, who is on his way out of the league, still request $18M per? WAT?? Then all the good players are constantly locked up by the better teams in the league. You really have to hope you land on some good guys in the draft. Which brings me to another point. The talent pool drops off a gigantic cliff after the 2nd round. You might find a gem in the 3rd, MAYBE the 4th, but not enough prospects that will actually amount to middle of the road talent.
But back to the FA, you try and low ball them or, really pay them what they are worth at that point in their career, and they clam up and cut off negotiations.
And the bump in ratings from international players is laughable. Why even put them in the game if they cant make meaningful contributions. Maybe my expectations are just too high or something, but it amazes me how bad most of the international prospects are. You might find one or two and maybe thats how its supposed to be IRL or something. I honestly dont know, but for a simulation baseball game, it fucking blows.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
Lol, IFA are the best source of talent in the game, to an unbalanced extent IMO. It's basically another stacked first round where money reigns supreme.
i worded that wrong. I meant your pool of international players in your complex
Aren't those guys the guys you sign in IFA?
Gooksta
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Your scout finds guys during the yr also