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Pac-12 Thread
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BasinBictory
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Yes, just like Auburn 2004 would have gone 2-0 against USC and Oklahoma. 
Brick
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the pac-10 was pretty bad in 2008. I think when SC played Oregon it was masoli's first start and they lost to the beavs. those were the #2/3 teams in the pac and they were at best decent. Oregon state beat pitt 3-0 in the sun bowl. Oregon was pretty terrible at the time they played usc before masoli got some experience.
Washington and Washington state were automatic Ws. middle of the conference was barf.
Oregon lost to boise at home to true frosh qb, and it wasn't close. osu went to happy valley and got slammed.
the best USC team didn't have sanchez at qb. c'mon. 2004 and 2005 were 1337.
Washington and Washington state were automatic Ws. middle of the conference was barf.
Oregon lost to boise at home to true frosh qb, and it wasn't close. osu went to happy valley and got slammed.
the best USC team didn't have sanchez at qb. c'mon. 2004 and 2005 were 1337.
BasinBictory
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2002 was probably my favorite USC team, because of not only how they played down the stretch and got Palmer his Heisman, but how they crushed both rivals with extreme prejudice, and then spanked a solid Iowa team in the Orange Bowl. Still, those early season losses were part of the resume, and the team as a whole wasn't as talented. Had we played either Miami or Ohio State that year, I think we'd have been outclassed.
Perhaps. That team just developed a sense of "team" and a drive that was awesome. I think the early season losses were, at least in part, just a function of the team not having developed a "fuck you" swagger yet. That swagger brought us back from several second half deficits in subsequent years (at ASU in 04 or 05 comes to mind...down 21-3 at the half). It's like SC would get it going in the 3rd quarter and both teams knew what was about to happen. The 2002 team didn't have that yet.
BasinBictory
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Right. Also part of the reason that team was my favorite was the sense of something big about to happen - that same sense when you were a kid on Christmas morning. USC had been down for the better part of 2 decades, and the 2002 team not only reawakened the past for those fans who remembered the McKay and Robinson (first time) glory days, it provided a glimmer of the success they were about to have in coming years. Moreover, you could sense the joy and excitement of the players finally playing for a coach they knew would be successful.
A couple of quotes I remember from that 2002 team; Palmer, being interviewed after the convincing Orange Bowl victory over Iowa, said "I envy the freshmen and sophomores on this team - they're going to be playing for national championships!" Another quote was from a highly sought-after offensive line recruit attending a USC game (the name escapes me now, but IIRC he never quite panned out, and wasn't a starter). He basically said "During the game, I had no fewer than ten players come up to me and tell me, it is a JOY to play for Coach Carroll! One of them grabbed the sides of my head and was inches from my face telling me this!"
ah - those were fun days. The next great USC coach probably hasn't even attended college yet, or is maybe some struggling unknown graduate assistant somewhere.
A couple of quotes I remember from that 2002 team; Palmer, being interviewed after the convincing Orange Bowl victory over Iowa, said "I envy the freshmen and sophomores on this team - they're going to be playing for national championships!" Another quote was from a highly sought-after offensive line recruit attending a USC game (the name escapes me now, but IIRC he never quite panned out, and wasn't a starter). He basically said "During the game, I had no fewer than ten players come up to me and tell me, it is a JOY to play for Coach Carroll! One of them grabbed the sides of my head and was inches from my face telling me this!"
ah - those were fun days. The next great USC coach probably hasn't even attended college yet, or is maybe some struggling unknown graduate assistant somewhere.
The best part of that 02 team was that, shortly after Oregon put up that giant billboard of their WRs on Hotel Figueroa in downtown LA, we went to Autzen, stomped them, and our WRs mocked their pose after every TD.
Suck me, Brock. And don't spit, you little bitch.
Suck me, Brock. And don't spit, you little bitch.
Dr. Shats Basoon
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Luh you @Dr. Shats Basoon
PSUEagle
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I agree with @BasinBictory and @TrojanMan : 2008 USC was Carroll's best team. Defense was right there with 2001 Miami and 2011 Alabama dominance wise, and the offense was a Top 10 unit, too. I think they beat UF that year.
Too bad they let Jacquizz Rodgers run for eleventy billion yards in Corvalis. For whatever reason Carroll's teams always struggled in their Pac 10 openers, and that was a pretty solid Beaver team.
Too bad they let Jacquizz Rodgers run for eleventy billion yards in Corvalis. For whatever reason Carroll's teams always struggled in their Pac 10 openers, and that was a pretty solid Beaver team.
Bdub
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UCLA defense wasn't that bad. It was their offense that let them down.
Hachiko
The Akita on Utopia
Yeah, that as well, but even if their offense was competent, the D can't be giving up all those points.
I just wanted to let everyone know that CSU > USC by the Nebraskafan transitive property. USC lost to Boston College and CSU beat Boston College.
Lets not get too crazy here, the transitive property only works 1 level deep. Every Nebraskafan knows that.
In other news, Connor Halliday has thrown for 2091 yards, 16 TDs, and 3 INTs (all 3 were in the first 2 losses) in Wazzu's 4 losses this year. He deserves some kind of award. Hopefully, Breske is fired at the end of the year if not sooner. The defense is horrendous.
Dr. Shats Basoon
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Travis is right, it works all the time except when it doesn't. In which case you forget it happened at all
Did I mention we have the best fans in college football? We applaud the OTHER team for a job well done
*pats self on back*
Did I mention we have the best fans in college football? We applaud the OTHER team for a job well done
*pats self on back*
....dat deep ball defending. 
Hayes Pullard thought he was fair catching a punt, apparently, and all the other DB's thought they were still on the sidelines just watching. Unbelievable.
Less of this......
......and more actual coaching, please.
I can deal with losing. I don't expect SC to really compete for anything anyway for another couple of seasons, when the roster has a full 85 scholarships again. But the way we've lost so far is embarrassing. BC didn't even need to pass; they just lined up and ran down the defense's throat over and over and over again. ASU was the exact opposite -- why run when you can find acres of space in the secondary? They look completely lost, like they have no idea what the play call is, what their assignments are, etc. And that's on the coaches.
Hayes Pullard thought he was fair catching a punt, apparently, and all the other DB's thought they were still on the sidelines just watching. Unbelievable.
Less of this......
......and more actual coaching, please.
I can deal with losing. I don't expect SC to really compete for anything anyway for another couple of seasons, when the roster has a full 85 scholarships again. But the way we've lost so far is embarrassing. BC didn't even need to pass; they just lined up and ran down the defense's throat over and over and over again. ASU was the exact opposite -- why run when you can find acres of space in the secondary? They look completely lost, like they have no idea what the play call is, what their assignments are, etc. And that's on the coaches.
RedmondLonghorn
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....dat deep ball defending.
Hayes Pullard thought he was fair catching a punt, apparently, and all the other DB's thought they were still on the sidelines just watching. Unbelievable.
Less of this......
......and more actual coaching, please.
I can deal with losing. I don't expect SC to really compete for anything anyway for another couple of seasons, when the roster has a full 85 scholarships again. But the way we've lost so far is embarrassing. BC didn't even need to pass; they just lined up and ran down the defense's throat over and over and over again. ASU was the exact opposite -- why run when you can find acres of space in the secondary? They look completely lost, like they have no idea what the play call is, what their assignments are, etc. And that's on the coaches.
I can't argue with the conclusion that what you have seen is very disappointing and unacceptable.
But here is the thing, Wilcox isn't a clown. Heyward is one of the best DB coaches in the country and Peter Sirmon is a very good young LB coach.
That group of coaches worked miracles at UW, turning a ridiculously porous defense under Nick Holt into a very credible (not elite or truly excellent, but good) unit.
Something is off, for sure, but I don't think it is that those guys all got stupid or lazy as soon as they got to LA.
BasinBictory
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Nick Holt. Ugh.
I don't think they got stupid or lazy either, but something is definitely off. There are too many head scratching, WTF? moments. Just a couple minutes earlier in that game, after Buck Allen had broken free for the long TD that should've put the game away, the defense surrendered a looooooong passing TD on the very next play from scrimmage. Against OSU, after Cravens' pick-6 to open the scoring, our coverage team gave up a TD on the ensuing kickoff (special teams corch, not defensive corch.....I know, but still). Sark occasionally switches to a slow predictable offense when his calling card is supposed to be a bunch of varied looks at breakneck speed.
I'm hoping it's just growing pains. New staff, new system, and a bunch of young players. We'll see.
I'm hoping it's just growing pains. New staff, new system, and a bunch of young players. We'll see.
RedmondLonghorn
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Sarkisian's calling card prior to his last season at Washington was basically running stuff that was very similar to what USC ran during the Carroll years. I know that was only a few years ago, but my goodness did it look stale by 2012.
For 2013 he switched to a full time HUNH (that former OC Eric Kiseau actually had a pretty big hand in designing, I think) and Washington took only about 3 snaps from under center during all of last season. Everything was Pistol and Gun. The formations and looks were still varied, but the actual number of different plays shrank massively. His play call sheet shrunk from a big laminated Denny's menu to something a little bigger than an index card. Washington played very fast last season and the focus on fewer plays seemed to improve execution.
After the Fresno State game, I assumed he was sticking with that as the full time offense in LA. Seems odd that he would get away from it.
BasinBictory
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I'm guessing that's exactly what it is, TM - just a case of a new coaching staff getting used to new players and vice versa. How many growing pains did Carroll and his team go through that first year?
I fully expected this year to be an 8-ish win season, and that is what it's shaping up to be. However, the 8-ish wins is not because this is a team that is above average but just can't compete against elite teams, it's because it's a team that, so far, has looked spectacular on both offense and defense (at times), but also like the Keystone Kops at other times.
The real test of Sarkisian's worth will come in years 2-3 when he'll not only have that much more time to instill his system on the program, but will also have the full complement of scholarships to offer.
I fully expected this year to be an 8-ish win season, and that is what it's shaping up to be. However, the 8-ish wins is not because this is a team that is above average but just can't compete against elite teams, it's because it's a team that, so far, has looked spectacular on both offense and defense (at times), but also like the Keystone Kops at other times.
The real test of Sarkisian's worth will come in years 2-3 when he'll not only have that much more time to instill his system on the program, but will also have the full complement of scholarships to offer.
RedmondLonghorn
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I was a Sark supporter when he was at UW, but he is really a pretty average head coach. At UW he had woes on the road a fair bit, but he also lost relatively few games where UW was clearly more talented than the other team (I can think of maybe 3 games over five years).
But he (and his staff) are going to recruit lights out at USC. USC isn't a hard place to recruit to start with, he is a good recruiter, and with so few players on scholarship he can also sell the idea of immediate playing time.
Before long USC will have restored its depth and will be clearly more talented than pretty much everybody they play regularly.
BasinBictory
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You'd expect douchey, frat-boy behavior from douchey 20-year old frat boys.
Bruin douchey frat boys are douchey 4LYF:
Doesn't matter if it was 25 years or 100......it's still an old man whose "job" it was to wave a towel on the sidelines. 
FWIW, I think "manufactured" enthusiasm is awful. Sark made a point after the BC game of saying the sideline didn't have enough energy, so now all the nerdy white kid walk-ons bounce around on the benches while the 'regular' players just stand there and watch the game. No thanks. I also think the yell leaders at the Coliseum are awful. They try to start chants at awkward times, and the only thing worse than silence and no atmosphere is a failed chant where only one guy -- on a microphone no less -- is doing it.
FWIW, I think "manufactured" enthusiasm is awful. Sark made a point after the BC game of saying the sideline didn't have enough energy, so now all the nerdy white kid walk-ons bounce around on the benches while the 'regular' players just stand there and watch the game. No thanks. I also think the yell leaders at the Coliseum are awful. They try to start chants at awkward times, and the only thing worse than silence and no atmosphere is a failed chant where only one guy -- on a microphone no less -- is doing it.
BasinBictory
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I gave up my season tickets when babby 2 was inbound. We only went to 1 game last year (the Thursday nighter against Zona), and I don't remember if they were even there.I'm going on the 18th this year, and to the ND game too, so I'll look for them.
BasinBictory
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Naw - they've been gone for a while (I'm talking about the all-male cheerleaders who also wore all-white outfits like their female counterparts) and been replaced by the "USC Spirit Leaders," which is a co-Ed group. I've tried researching it, by only come up with "they were disbanded in 2006." What little I recall was that there was some sort of scandal involved. Not sure how severe a scandal could be, but I would think anything short of gang rape or murder wouldn't result in the whole organization being shitcanned.
Hachiko
The Akita on Utopia
Long Beach City College can do better at special teams than Arizona against SC. Can't believe I'm saying that. @BearDownUofA
BearDownUofA
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No one asked you and no one ever cares what you think, Hachiko. It would do you some good to stop posting for once.