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CJ _24 Get to the Point Thread

wolverine318

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I think things are already interesting. 5 back is easily attainable. Any of those guys but especially Phil and how the crows loves him, starts out with a couple of birdies and Spieth goes with a couple of pars maybe a bogie, game on. And you know they will have 13 and 15 set up for them to take runs at eagles. I like Spieth but I don't think he is a lock. He is putting lights out and playing well, but Sunday at the Masters is a totally different ballgame. I still think he will win but it wont be a cakewalk by any means.
 

Wolfman21

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that double bogey on 17 kept things interesting. He goes into Sunday with a 6 shot lead over Rose and 7 over Mickleson...i think its over. Instead its 4 and 5.
 

wolverine318

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What was it last year or two years ago when Scott lost 4 shots in 4 holes? You just never know when the pressure is on.
 

Brick

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most important thing to come out of this weekend is it looks like tiger is ready to compete for majors again.
 

Southpaw

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As good as he was back in the day, he also has never won when he was trailing on the final day. Never. Ain't got no clutch gene.
 

CJ_24

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most important thing to come out of this weekend is it looks like tiger is ready to compete for majors again.

I'm assuming sarcasm. but if not, no. There is nothing from this weekend that, I think, indicates tiger is going to be a serious contender in majors.
 

DeadMan

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I'm assuming sarcasm. but if not, no. There is nothing from this weekend that, I think, indicates tiger is going to be a serious contender in majors.

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CJ_24

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True and no reasonable person expected Tiger to win this week given the layoff. I still wanted to make the point because it's something that I've read in reaction to The Masters and I think it's wrong. Tiger essentially played 1 good round this week. Maybe 2. Ever since his ex wife hit him with a 9 iron, in majors he's been able to at best put 3 rounds together. Nothing has changed since Yang whipped him at Hazeltine. So, to me, the idea that "there are signs of life" is nonsensical because we've seen this movie many times before (and much better versions of this movie, I might add). Tiger is who he is now. He's old, his body and mind are beat up, he's so f'd up in his own head that he keeps changing instructors and ideas when all that stuff is really more of a side dish to putting his talent together.

With his talent it's not hard to imagine him having a Jack in 86 week or two where it comes together, but there's no way in hell he ever breaks Jack's major record. The preponderance of evidence suggests that, at his best now, Tiger is going to shoot two rounds under par, one round around par and (most importantly) one round at par or over par. That's not good enough to win majors.

When he was winning, there was no over par round. He turned 73's into 70's and 68's in a way that didn't seem humanly possible. That's gone now and has been gone for quite sometime (which is natural, no human being can sustain that level.)

Look at the current golfing alpha talent, Rory. Rory played 9 bad holes this week (whereas he played the other 63 holes at something like 15 under) and he got smoked. Granted Spieth is amazing and it was his week, but the point remains that you can't play 9 bad holes in a major and win. Tiger consistently plays at minimum 18 holes at a level that isn't good enough to win.
 

goblue96

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Tiger did turn a potential 80 into a 73 today. I think he hit more approach shots, today, off pine straw than grass.

The funny part of Tiger's post-round interview was, "you won't be seeing more for awhile....." Of course not, he's only interested in playing in the big tournaments and not the John Deere Classic (for example). The problem is you can't just show up at a big tournament and expect to win. Your game isn't in tournament shape. You need to play the John Deere Classic to play under tournament conditions. So, when it's time to time to play under the bright lights of the WGC events, the Players Championship, and the majors, your game is ready for those occasions.
 

DeadMan

aka spiker or DeadMong
Screw his mental game and all that. Tiger won't be a contender in anything until he's healthy consistently. What we saw this week was pretty impressive, but you can tell his game is still rusty. Tiger used to be a maniac with his practices, so when he can't work the way he used to, it shows. If he can stay healthy for a while, he might be able to throw enough game together to win a major.
 

MSUFanatic

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This week reminds me of 2010 Master's with Tiger. Comes out of a long layoff plays decently in contention, everyone goes woooow look at what he can do without playing in any tournaments. Then he goes on to shit the bed the rest of the year.

What Tiger did this weekend was impressive, but until he consistently plays more tournaments (which he won't) and stops just showing up for Majors he's just not going to be a serious player at these big events.

Also, I love his claim about dislocating his wrist mid round and popping it back into place.

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DeadMan

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This week reminds me of 2010 Master's with Tiger. Comes out of a long layoff plays decently in contention, everyone goes woooow look at what he can do without playing in any tournaments. Then he goes on to shit the bed the rest of the year.

What Tiger did this weekend was impressive, but until he consistently plays more tournaments (which he won't) and stops just showing up for Majors he's just not going to be a serious player at these big events.

Also, I love his claim about dislocating his wrist mid round and popping it back into place.

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Tiger hasn't played that many events since, what, 2001? I mean, I agree with you that he needs to get out there more now and play, but he did win a ton of majors playing a similar schedule. But, between now and the US Open, he'll probably play the Players and Jack's tournament? That's not going to be enough to get him to win.

Also, yeah, he's full of shit about his wrist. You don't dislocate your wrist, pop it back in, and keep playing. I wish the interviewer had pressed him on that a little bit.
 

MSUFanatic

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Tiger hasn't played that many events since, what, 2001? I mean, I agree with you that he needs to get out there more now and play, but he did win a ton of majors playing a similar schedule. But, between now and the US Open, he'll probably play the Players and Jack's tournament? That's not going to be enough to get him to win.

Also, yeah, he's full of shit about his wrist. You don't dislocate your wrist, pop it back in, and keep playing. I wish the interviewer had pressed him on that a little bit.

Agreed, but he also wasn't 39 when he was winning those tourneys chasing around 21-25 year olds guys on tour. Think the talent level has certainly increased tremendously from the time since Tiger's last major to what it is now which makes it even more imperative he at least try to get in a few more rounds between Major's to try and pace whatever game he has to fit to the Major championship he is chasing.

I've felt the last few years he simply runs out of gas by the time the final round comes by because he just isn't in "tournament golf shape". It has to be physically and emotionally draining to get through 4 rounds of hyper competitive Major Championship golf, and even more draining when you've played 3X through 4 months.
 

goblue96

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Looking at a peer comparison for Tiger....Mickelson (just going on age and stature in the game). Phil played seven times before The Masters. Granted he didn't have "to disappear" to work on his chipping. But he still went out there and teed it up. He missed the cut twice but played 24 competitive rounds before The Masters to Tiger's two.
 

MSUFanatic

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Looking at a peer comparison for Tiger....Mickelson (just going on age and stature in the game). Phil played seven times before The Masters. Granted he didn't have "to disappear" to work on his chipping. But he still went out there and teed it up. He missed the cut twice but played 24 competitive rounds before The Masters to Tiger's two.

This made me giggle
 

TrojanMan

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At the gym yesterday morning, overheard this conversation:

Guy 1: You been watching the Masters?

Guy 2: Not really, but this Jordan "Spyth" kid looks really good. And he's only 18....crazy.

Guy 1: Right. Plus, the Masters is always much better when they do it at Augusta.

Me:
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MSUFanatic

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At the gym yesterday morning, overheard this conversation:

Guy 1: You been watching the Masters?

Guy 2: Not really, but this Jordan "Spyth" kid looks really good. And he's only 18....crazy.

Guy 1: Right. Plus, the Masters is always much better when they do it at Augusta.

Me:
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Sounds like you were Spything?
 

Carolina Blue

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Great read on Rory fending off Spieth for the crown.

http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2015/05/the-once-and-future-king-rory.html

The Once and Future King: Rory launches a counter-attack on Spieth

By Shane Ryan
"Almost overnight, Spieth assumed the mantle that has belonged to both future hall-of-famers, like Northern Ireland’s Rory McIlroy, and major disappointments, including Spain’s Sergio Garcia, all of them faced with the unenviable task of replacing one of the greatest golfers of all time."Slate, on April 13, one day after the Masters
The coronation was quick and brutal -- the minute Jordan Spieth slipped his arms into the green jacket, the loyal foot soldiers of the young king began erasing the memory of all those who had once worn the crown. The old monuments were toppled, the enemy castles were burned, and the dissidents were banished into the wilderness. Those who remained quickly learned to speak the language of the conqueror.
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"He's going to sort of fly the flag for golf for quite a while," said Justin Rose. "People were getting excited about that out there. You could tell."

"When I first met him, I tell you, I'll never forget it," added Ben Crenshaw. "I looked right at him and he looked at me and I thought I was looking at Wyatt Earp. He just had that look about him, just wonderful.”

"Following two days at Augusta National," gushed The Golf Channel, two days before he'd won, "it’s impossible to shake the feeling that we’ve all seen this before."

Tiger was having none of it. Spieth, he said, was better: "The difference is that he's separated himself. I didn't have that separation after two rounds. I believe I only had a three-shot lead at the time. So there's a big difference."

Everywhere you looked, media and fans and players were heralding the long-awaited arrival of the youth movement, with Spieth in the vanguard. And the fresh-faced monarch, with his rosy cheeks and his gentle smile and his polished manner, waved to the crowds and said nothing.

Meanwhile, in exile, one particular golfer must have felt a bit perplexed. He had notched a top-five finish at Augusta, and a few months earlier, at age 25, he had won his fourth career major while grabbing the top spot in the world rankings — a spot he still held. If golf needed a new king, or the next Tiger, he seemed to have a strong claim. Instead, Rory McIlroy was on the outs, crushed by the Spieth coup d'etat, and would now have to resort to guerrilla warfare, miles from the throne.

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OK, that's plenty. Time to dial down the rhetoric -- you get the point, and the whole ramble was probably unfair to the 21-year-old Masters champ. Jordan Spieth's winwas remarkable, and the similarities to Tiger's '97 win were uncanny, and the hyperbole that followed wasn't his fault. In fact, he took every opportunity to admit that he wasn't yet on Rory's level. You can't blame him if nobody seemed to get the message.

"The next generation is here!" bellowed Jim Nantz that Sunday, and if you were waiting for a CBS underling to scurry to his side and whisper that its members already arrived, you'd wait in vain. The narrative had been established: Jordan was the only show in town.

Do I need to reiterate the greatness of Rory McIlroy? How every time he wins, he hits a new milestone that only Jack and Tiger have hit before—including his 10th PGA Tour win before turning 26 on Monday, at the WGC-Cadillac Match Play? Jordan Spieth is a wonderful golfer, but even after his win at Augusta, the sum of his accomplishments barely placed him in Rory's shadow. The fact that golf's principal actors fabricated a story that reversed those positions was an odd little puzzle.

Why did it happen? It may be as simple as the fact that Jordan is American, and Rory is not. We want the rising stars in global sports to come from native shores, and that's only natural. Just look at how few of us can be bothered to watch the historic Federer-Nadal-Djokovic rivalry matches in tennis, compared to the fever that swept the country in the days of Sampras and Agassi. We're a partisan nation, and that's fine. (There is a special irony, though, in the fact that Ireland has a long history of devouring its young geniuses—my favorite example in Rory's case comes from this New York Times story, when fans called him a "snob" and got miffed because he had a private parking spot at the Irish Open. At home and in America, he has the worst of both worlds.)

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There's a second theory, though, and this one has nothing to do with nationality. In golf, I believe that a large segment of American fans covet a champion like Spieth -- a player so phenomenally inoffensive and bland that if you squint hard enough, you might confuse him with one of those half-sketched, iconic old figures like Bobby Jones. I know very little about Spieth the person -- that's by design -- but Spieth the public figure is flat-out boring. He is a publicist's dream, with no sharp edges, no whiff of controversy, and the appropriately faint hints of mild religion and conservative politics. He's comfortable in front of a camera, good looking in the most non-threatening way possible, and utterly incapable of embarrassing himself. Deep down, I think this is what we might want—we've learned the pitfalls of knowing too much about an athlete, and there's comfort in recognizing someone great that will keep us at a distance, leaving us to our false, self-nourishing projections. Appeal to our nostalgia, and we'll let our vision blur.

Rory is not boring. While Spieth comes from suburban Dallas, Rory hails from war-torn Northern Ireland, where every decision he makes is analyzed for its political implications. While Spieth is mild-mannered and quiet, Rory is unusually honest, and occasionally confrontational. While Spieth dates his all-American high school sweetheart, Rory dates celebrities and models (and breaks off engagements by phone). While it's hard to know if Spieth is smart or aggressive or fierce beneath the tepid self-rebukes on the course, all three of these qualities are evident in Rory. (Even Spieth's complaints are cautiously framed, as in this tweet where he disguised his annoyance at the fickle nature of match play behind a desire to improve the event—by making it stroke play.) And while Spieth hasn't developed a quintessential style in his three wins, Rory has a closing kick not even Tiger, in his front-running heyday, could match.

Rory's cold blood flowed this weekend for the first time since Gleneagles. Billy Horschel had him dead to rights on Friday, but Rory drained a long birdie putt on the 17th to steal a hole -- and later the match. He pulled the same late come-from-behind acts against Paul Casey and Jim Furyk in the quarterfinals and semifinals, and saved his best golf for Sunday's championship match, when he routed Gary Woodland to win his second WGC event.

One thing that always impresses me about Rory is his thorough mastery of the game's psychological side. Last summer, I watched him intimidate opponents like Phil Mickelson, Rickie Fowler and Sergio Garcia in the incredible three-month stretch that saw him capture his two latest major titles and his third Ryder Cup. He was at it again this weekend in San Francisco, winning six consecutive matches despite a game that hasn't quite clicked. He prevailed with a formula based in sheer willpower—close hard and hit the spectacular shot at the perfect moment. He's relentless and unapologetic, and I don't doubt his fellow pros -- especially his victims -- like him less than the comparatively affable Spieth.

At the moment, Rory is the man who deserves our superlatives. There are champions and there are challengers, and when we mix them up, we're being willfully ignorant—the situation couldn't be clearer. But perception can become reality, and the most interesting element of Spieth's premature ascension will be Rory's rebuttal. Seeking out the "next Tiger" in golf is reductive and lazy, and even the most obvious rivalries have a way of petering out. Still, it was hard not to read Rory's win as a response to the Spiethian fanfare. Here was the once and future king, vicious in exile, with an opening salvo for a summer of war.
 

Southpaw

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Tiger and Lindsey broke up, y'all. They will always cherish their time together, though.

Fuck golf. Why do golfers give public statements about breaking up with their girlfriends? Fucking Rory did it too.
 

wolverine318

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Do you think if Tom Brady and his whore wife broke up he would release a statement? Of course. Tiger is one of the most famous athletes in the world, if this was some hack I would agree. Also they were dating other "sports stars" so I get it. They are in the public eye more than regular athletes and are probably just getting it out there before TMZ get to it.
 

Southpaw

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Tiger never realased a statement about his divorce. It was a private matter if I remember correctly.

Name another sport where athletes release statements about breaking up with girlfriends.
 

wolverine318

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Tiger never realased a statement about his divorce. It was a private matter if I remember correctly.

Name another sport where athletes release statements about breaking up with girlfriends.
The Seahawks released one on behalf of Russell Wilson about his Divorce. Again I don't think it is normal for golf. I think it is two high profile sports people and that is why. Same with Rory and his ex ho. I don't see other golfers releasing statements.
 

goblue96

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The Seahawks released one on behalf of Russell Wilson about his Divorce. Again I don't think it is normal for golf. I think it is two high profile sports people and that is why. Same with Rory and his ex ho. I don't see other golfers releasing statements.

Caroline Wozniacki is not a ho. She's a sweet loving woman from Denmark. :love::love::love:
 

DeadMan

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Second time in a month Kisner loses in a playoff. Poor guy.

I like Ricky, so I am also happy for him. Pretty incredible what he did on 17 all week.
 
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