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2042 Hot Stove

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Pleighboi
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Orlando said:
Well I just did it again.
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And it worked. Who knows what is going on, but now we've once again fixed it while simultaneously having fabulous logos. Just do that every now and then. I think I have to install the league without your file to allow me to do logos again so that's just your jerb now
 
OU11

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Pleighboi
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I just noticed that Horcine is 6'8 240.. No wonder he hits 50+ every year
 
osick87

osick87

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doh said:
Yep all baseball studies show speed means nothing in terms of where to put it in the order. If anything it makes less sense to have speed at the top because why do you need to steal bases when 3-4-5 are your best power hitters? OBP before SLG on the other hand does matter...
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Nothing is a bit extreme but speed's value has definitely gone down. It's become more of a luxury where it once was a necessity. It's not something you should pay a lot extra for. . Speed also does not just mean SBs. I have speedy guys but I have my Stealing at a very low setting. It is nice to have guys who can stretch a single to a double or go 1st to 3rd. Does it affect a considerable rate . It's not needed but it's a nice thing to have in my opinon.

There was an article about Speed and it's relation to SLG where it compared Zobrist and I want to say Billy Butler and how their different qualities led to similar SLG last year. If I can find it I will send it to you in a PM. It was an interesting read.

I agree with OBP should be more highly valued than SLG.
 
Orlando

Orlando

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Thats why I figured he was going with the usual doh hyperbole. Then he stacked it with more hyperbole :laughing:

I might roll with batting maybe my 5th best hitter 3rd this year @osick87
 
osick87

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doh said:
Guys like Duan and @osick87 signee Pedro Martinez used to go unsigned and I scoop them up as MLFA. Many times I'd use them on my UBL/WBL teams in defensive specialist roles and hope they were LH too so I could give my starters some rest too. Now more teams are getting these type of guys so you can use your roster 1-25 instead of having just shitty back up MIFs who can't do anything but just fill in if someone gets hurt.

I actually have a lot of these type guys coming through my system. I've picked up a couple UDFA and MLFA's who can fit these roles for me in future years so I can save a little cash.
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Yeah I basically wanted him and Claudio Lopez to be competent enough at SS until Lucio or Bert prove they are good enough which I feel is this year. Between Paul, Lopez and Martinez, there's a lot of flexibility in where I can play them if there is an injury, tiring or something else. I think the vast majority of my position players can play another position competently. That provides value to me. All my OFs can play each OF. Borst is probably my worst defender with his best D being in the 40-50 range.

Martinez is sort of in like Bonifacio if he was slow but a better defender. I'm sure there is a better comparison for that skill set but I can't think of it now.

On to Lando's lineup post
 
osick87

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Orlando said:
Thats why I figured he was going with the usual doh hyperbole. Then he stacked it with more hyperbole :laughing:

I might roll with batting maybe my 5th best hitter 3rd this year @osick87
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Somebody has read about lineup optimization.

I mean you want your best hitters to get the most at bats but you also want them to be in a position to succeed. Ideally one would have talented players you can throw them around all willy-nilly but that doesn't happen for every team. I mean I just called one of my FA signings a slow Bonafacio.

DISCLAIMER: I HAVEN'T READ THIS ARTICLE PRIOR TO THIS POST SO I AM READING ON THE FLY. I may miss something or say something contradictory.

This blog (unintentionally a Jays blog) shows that while 3rd sees 4.61 ABs a game which is logically 3rd most although it shows they also are most likely to come up when there are 2 outs (likely many from 2 up 2 down 1st innings) (37%). So you ask yourself if it's worth the tradeoff of giving your best hitter more at bats.The article also states that 4th "has the most plate appearances with men on, the greatest percentage of plate appearances with men on, and the most runners on per game, on average". Makes sense to throw your best hitter there since it seems like the best time to succeed but they also have a decently high 2 out %.


I know some guys think putting your best hitter at 2 is the good too. I know the Reds had Votto there a bit last year and Bautista has hit there with the Jays at times. I think Bautista was due to injuries but it worked well for the time he was there. It seems like a good balance of giving him ABs while also not giving him bad out scenarios. The biggest thing you sacrifice is having him hit with men on base which for some may not be worth it. The two I mentioned also have a good combo of OBP and power so that could be what 2 (3rd best hitter in standard optimization lineup) is the guy who can get on base but hit for a decent amount of XBHs to knock in your high OBP guy hitting 1 or giving your 3 and 4( 2nd Best Hitter) better run expectancy percentages.

That BBB article is nice because it gives you all the data to play with and tweak to what you feel is a good idea.


Here is another article on it
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
 
Gooksta

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osick87 said:
Somebody has read about lineup optimization.

I mean you want your best hitters to get the most at bats but you also want them to be in a position to succeed. Ideally one would have talented players you can throw them around all willy-nilly but that doesn't happen for every team. I mean I just called one of my FA signings a slow Bonafacio.

DISCLAIMER: I HAVEN'T READ THIS ARTICLE PRIOR TO THIS POST SO I AM READING ON THE FLY. I may miss something or say something contradictory.

This blog (unintentionally a Jays blog) shows that while 3rd sees 4.61 ABs a game which is logically 3rd most although it shows they also are most likely to come up when there are 2 outs (likely many from 2 up 2 down 1st innings) (37%). So you ask yourself if it's worth the tradeoff of giving your best hitter more at bats.The article also states that 4th "has the most plate appearances with men on, the greatest percentage of plate appearances with men on, and the most runners on per game, on average". Makes sense to throw your best hitter there since it seems like the best time to succeed but they also have a decently high 2 out %.


I know some guys think putting your best hitter at 2 is the good too. I know the Reds had Votto there a bit last year and Bautista has hit there with the Jays at times. I think Bautista was due to injuries but it worked well for the time he was there. It seems like a good balance of giving him ABs while also not giving him bad out scenarios. The biggest thing you sacrifice is having him hit with men on base which for some may not be worth it. The two I mentioned also have a good combo of OBP and power so that could be what 2 (3rd best hitter in standard optimization lineup) is the guy who can get on base but hit for a decent amount of XBHs to knock in your high OBP guy hitting 1 or giving your 3 and 4( 2nd Best Hitter) better run expectancy percentages.

That BBB article is nice because it gives you all the data to play with and tweak to what you feel is a good idea.


Here is another article on it
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
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mlb network clubhouse confidential had a show about lineup construction... said the amount of extra times the #3 hitter comes up doesnt make up for the premium RBI situations that the #4 spot has.. also the #3 hitter also leads the lineup with coming to the plate with nobody on and 2 outs which diminishes the additional AB's the #3 spot gets in a game/season.
 
Yankee151

Yankee151

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My lineup is Aguirre(OBP/Speed) Aguilar(2nd best hitter) Ertegun(4th best hitter) Rojas (best hitter) Brittain (3rd best hitter) Haward Dahlberg (6 and 7) Inan (worst hitter) and Duarte (8th best hitter/leadoff)
 
Gooksta

Gooksta

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i Vajorov hitting 2nd.. he is on base machine, but he doesnt walk much.. so he doesnt lead off
might put Fazackerly 4 and hong 5 this year and see how that works out
 
osick87

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Gooksta said:
mlb network clubhouse confidential had a show about lineup construction... said the amount of extra times the #3 hitter comes up doesnt make up for the premium RBI situations that the #4 spot has.. also the #3 hitter also leads the lineup with coming to the plate with nobody on and 2 outs which diminishes the additional AB's the #3 spot gets in a game/season.
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Is there an echo? :laughing: I say a very similar thing in the sentence linking to the article.
 
Orlando

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Yeah, like both those article mention, The Book gets deep into this stuff. My take is it's likely that your highest OBP guy is also one of your top 3 hitters, so if you have a guy with speed and good OBP, hitting him first makes sense. The article does touch on doh's point of putting speed in front of your contact singles hitters at the back half of the lineup, but that assumes their OBP skills are meh.

The Tulip's talent level is at a point where it really doesnt matter what order you put them in, but he has the pieces to experiment. My lineup is a bit different because it is so focused on power and OBP is lacking. My high OBP players, are also my best hitters (Bernal, Farren). they can't lead off. Gomez is probably my best choice at leadoff at this point. Optimizing my lineup is difficult.
 
Yankee151

Yankee151

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My lineup is the same which is why I got Ertegun, he makes me feel comfortable about splitting up the power 3.
 
Gooksta

Gooksta

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Orlando said:
Yeah, like both those article mention, The Book gets deep into this stuff. My take is it's likely that your highest OBP guy is also one of your top 3 hitters, so if you have a guy with speed and good OBP, hitting him first makes sense. The article does touch on doh's point of putting speed in front of your contact singles hitters at the back half of the lineup, but that assumes their OBP skills are meh.

The Tulip's talent level is at a point where it really doesnt matter what order you put them in, but he has the pieces to experiment. My lineup is a bit different because it is so focused on power and OBP is lacking. My high OBP players, are also my best hitters (Bernal, Farren). they can't lead off. Gomez is probably my best choice at leadoff at this point. Optimizing my lineup is difficult.
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"the book" talks about leveraging speed.. you dont want them in front of singles hitters.. you want them in front of guys who get xtra base hits.. scoring from first on a double is what you want.
 
Orlando

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Well that's half of it. You leverage speed and OBP at leadoff so they can score on XBH and shitty hitters with speed in front of singles hitters so they can steal and score on base hits.
 
osick87

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I mean nothing is perfect. This just gives you to what scenario are the spots likely going to be in. Do you want your best hitter who also has a high ISO leading off. Some may say yes because they will be getting knocked in but I'd (and likely most people) rather have that guy put in the 4th spot where they see the most ABs with guys on base. 1 spot give me the guy who has OBP but less power for the previously mentioned point. 2 is where I would have the hybrid guy who gets on base a ton while also hitting a good amount of XBHs.

So for you I would try something like

1) Farren
4) Bernal
2) Gomes
5) Cotterell/Harris


I know you like speed out of the 1 spot so you are probably more likely to go

1)Gomes
4)Bernal
2)Farren
5)Cotterell/Harris

I couldn't figure out your other starters so that's what I would do.
 
Orlando

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My starters are as they are on the website.

2 Harris
3 Turner/Tomkinson
4 Weber
5 Farr
6 Bernal
7 Gomes
8 Gutierrez
9 Farren
DH Cotterell

Your second option was basically what I was leaning towards. I just have trouble batting Farren 1 or 2, but I'll likely try it. If I opted to start Sawyer over Guti, I'd probably hit him lead off.
 
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Pleighboi
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14/15 has dumped a lot more talent in general into our league. It is pretty outrageous, maybe we are just in one of those cycles.
 
osick87

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Orlando said:
My starters are as they are on the website.

Your second option was basically what I was leaning towards. I just have trouble batting Farren 1 or 2, but I'll likely try it. If I opted to start Sawyer over Guti, I'd probably hit him lead off.
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THose guys are so good that I don't think switching Gomes and Farren is going to be a huge downswing.
 
Gooksta

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What do you expect for your team this year

KW
Win the division
Get back to world series
Win world series
 
doh

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
My goal is to make the playoffs and get some more prospects somehow (good IFA findings/trades).

As always make the playoffs and roll the dice from there. Feel a bit better with Hernandez potentially starting a playoff game compared to Kahl. Maybe make a deal for an ELiTe pitcher down the line or a big bat as well.
 
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Wolfman21

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I've come to find that maybe I just don't know what I'm doing in regards to running a team. I've simmed through 3 seasons in an offline game I'm doing with the Braves and they haven't finished over .500 in any of those years.
 
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Wolfman21

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no clue, I'm learning as I go.

In my offseason league, it seems the scouting numbers on my hitters is as good if not better than the ones on the teams I'm losing against...however I can't score any runs. Then I look at the stats numbers and my ERA and batting average are both like 2nd in the league however it seems like every other game I'm either getting shutout or scoring 1 run. Then in the games I DO score multiple runs, my pitchers give up 10. Annoying and frustrating.
 
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