chibob
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I am so excited robert had no idea he misspelled hone and then got on to me about it, just shows his soccer knowledge is lacking
Yes. Clearly.
I am so excited robert had no idea he misspelled hone and then got on to me about it, just shows his soccer knowledge is lacking
All travis is saying is that if our team had the same skill level but better athletes they'd be better. You are trying to argue against gravity here
The 'travis trog trap' is his ill talk myself into a corner and then use a get out of jail free card.
So tired of this constant trog trap bullshit, kinda glad I did miss that on flufftopia, shit needs to die. Along with the Turkey strutting bollocks.
Kinda easy when everyone on here is drunk, drinking or hungover.I can't believe there are morons who still fall for this trog trap...
Well the crux of his argument is that getting our better athletes to play soccer will make us better. Milo NML and yankee all argue that being more athletic makes you a worse soccer player which is why he 'traps' you lot. You all just start going off about technical ability.
The thing is, we dont know if your 'better' athletes would be any good at soccer for one, and also who is to say that Barry Saunders is a better athlete than Landon Donovan? I mean these are guys essentially at the end of the athletic development, who knows how each wouldve turned out if they chosen soccer over football or whatever.
I take exception to the fact that none of your soccer players are considered in the same category as of your better athletes.
Well the crux of his argument is that getting our better athletes to play soccer will make us better. Milo NML and yankee all argue that being more athletic makes you a worse soccer player which is why he 'traps' you lot. You all just start going off about technical ability.
Well I'll just say that barry was a superior athlete.
What everybody knows here is that soccer is pretty low on the list for America's youth unless you count rich white kids who cant play anything else, number one for them
Tmang, would the team be better if they had the same skill level but were better athletes? Yes? Okay good.
We are a long ways from catching up technically since soccer is so unpopular here. So if that is the only way we will ever be good then we boned
This whole discussion just gets redundant after a point.
At the end of the day its just not about a team of the quickest and the strongest, technical ability always come out as the most important factor in 9 out of 10 players in every sport.
I think if you compare the NFL and college football, players who cant make the grade to step it up to the NFL arent neccesarily slower or weaker, its usually because theyre skills are too raw, and theyve got so far on pure athleticism rather than actual technical skill. I mean, youre not going to say Peyton Manning is a superior athlete are you?
Would it make us better? Yes. A lot better? No.
We're not suffering from some huge athleticism gap as it stands. I think our 'athletes' can more than hold their own against the Spain, Germany, Brazil, and Portugal's of the world. Our soccer players can't.
That's where we can start to close the gap. It won't happen immediately. But what's the alternative? Ignore it, and just focus on switching little kids in the hood from football and basketball over to soccer? Good plan.
Well isnt that the problem is in every hood and favela in the world they play futbol not BBall or football.Would it make us better? Yes. A lot better? No.
We're not suffering from some huge athleticism gap as it stands. I think our 'athletes' can more than hold their own against the Spain, Germany, Brazil, and Portugal's of the world. Our soccer players can't.
That's where we can start to close the gap. It won't happen immediately. But what's the alternative? Ignore it, and just focus on switching little kids in the hood from football and basketball over to soccer? Good plan.
Bitch we need to outathlete if we cant out technical. You said we can be better if we had better athletes which means travis and i are right. BOOOOOOM
Tmang, would the team be better if they had the same skill level but were better athletes? Yes? Okay good.
We are a long ways from catching up technically since soccer is so unpopular here. So if that is the only way we will ever be good then we boned
Getoff the Spanish dick dude. They are a bunch flopping pussies. They aren't winning this World Cup. I think I remember reading a couple years ago that only ARG, BRA and URU have won Cups in this hemisphere.The US is technically probably 10 years behind England who are ten years behind Spain.
In England now we have players like Barkley, Wilshere, Ramsey (yes I know hes Welsh) and arguably Lallana who are technically gifted to the extent of Spanish players at moving the ball around. If you look at the old guard of English midfielders, your Gerrards, Parkers, and Lampards, these guys are horrendous technically (the only old guard exception being Paul Scholes who has been compared with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta) in comparison to the Spanish. But obviously the young Spanish guys are still years ahead but the gulf isnt as big as it was. So its not like the US cant catch up, its all about closing the gap slightly each generation of players.
The best central midfielder you guys produced was probably Stuart Holden, shame about his legs.
I would argue that Germany is as good maybe betterNo team in the world are as good as Spain.
Brazil is only a favorite because theyre the hosts, their team is probably one of the weakest theyve taken to a WC in a while.
And yes the hemisphere thing is correct, but what does that even matter.
That mightve meant something back in the 1980s when players from northern hemisphere countries had only been to the seaside for a holiday.
Getoff the Spanish dick dude. They are a bunch flopping pussies. They aren't winning this World Cup. I think I remember reading a couple years ago that only ARG, BRA and URU have won Cups in this hemisphere.
I would argue that Germany is as good maybe better
Its going to hard on everybody dealing with all of that great Brasilean ass everywhere.
Will the US ever have a player with the technical ability of a Xavi/Iniesta? I really don't think we can based on our culture and how we play the sport. Can we ever have a 6'2 striker with solid skills who can jump and run a sub 11s 100m? I think we can.
CM dudeWell if the NBA Finals is a short series, we can just send Lebron to Brazil to play striker.
Our athletes shouldn't just "hold their own," they should fucking excel because that's what we have as a strength as a country. I really disagree about how good our athletes are doe, I think you'll watch Germany, Portugal, and Ghanna all run circles around the US players. I think JK left 2 of the best athletes at home (GAM and Donovan). I think our best players on this team are actually better technicians than they are athletes at the moment anyway. Dempsey and Bradley aren't world class athletes but they are skilled enough to hold their own. The problem is we'll try to line Bradley and Dempsey up against the best in the world and their skills won't compare. I just don't see us producing better technical players than Dempsey and Bradley, so we have to make up that ground in other ares. We are never going to beat any European or any South American team if we try to play the same game as them. This is like trying to line up against Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and win a shoot out when your QB is David Carr.
I mean I'm not really trolling here, America's path to success is to get better athletes into our programs early and get the skills up to the level of our best current players. In a couple of decades we'll have players who are as skilled as Dempsey and Bradley, but they'll also be world class athletes and they'll run circles around our competition and we'll win the world cup. I
would think that Chicago Robert was the one trolling here, as he asked how I know Barry Sanders is a better athlete than Landon Donovan. Landon Donovan and Beasley were the "athletes" on our 2002 World cup team and they are now in their 30s and still arguably the best athletes on (or not on) the world cup team this go around. FUUUU. The fact that we have no real measurable for Landon Donovan to even compare with Barry Sanders is also worth noting, because it shows how far behind soccer is in athletic development because there aren't even measurable for players. If I was a soccer scout I'd have all soccer players I was looking into running a 10k (full game stamina), a mile (intermediate stamina) 40 yard dash (spring speed - certainly more applicable in soccer than football, vertical jump, F3cone and shuttle drills.
FWIW, I do think England should embrace the technical aspect and that's how they can always be competitive even though they have a small player pool. The nation loves soccer and they'll be able to compete technically with anyone if that is what they make a priority. I simply don't think that is the case in the US. What you should focus on all depends on what your strengths are as a nation. Spain finally won a world cup and went on this amazing international run by tailoring their play style to fit the types of players they produce. They did it by embracing possession soccer and playing to their national strength of tiny little house elves. Why would we try to beat them at that game? We should just be parking the bus with 9 super fast/strong/high work rate dudes playing defense to just maul them and knock them off their rhythm and putting a sub 10.5 second 100m guy out there at striker to run on a counter when fucking Pique and Ramos push too far forward. You think those guys are catching Randy Moss striker? Nah, B.
Will the US ever have a player with the technical ability of a Xavi/Iniesta? I really don't think we can based on our culture and how we play the sport. Can we ever have a 6'2 striker with solid skills who can jump and run a sub 11s 100m? I think we can.
Those guys are Drogba liteI'd rather see a good version of an Altidore type any day. Something like Benteke or Lukaku. Would be excite.
Spain are boring to watch to me. They piddle around too much without generating scoring opportunities and win a lot of 1-0 games.
My cause?
I think its more your collective cause.
But whatever grasp to the pipe dream.
US super soccer athletes winning world cups come 2022!
Will the US ever have a player with the technical ability of a Xavi/Iniesta? I really don't think we can based on our culture and how we play the sport. Can we ever have a 6'2 striker with solid skills who can jump and run a sub 11s 100m? I think we can.