USA National Soccer (M & W) Thread
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Lleget was having a great year with Galaxy/playing well with the NT until that injury in the WCQ. I think he will be an important player this cycle. His issue is he's 26 and hasn't played that many matches being buried at West Ham then getting hurt. But I like him.
I think Aaron Long is going to be important too. He's a late bloomer but has been gr8 in MLS/looked good in these two matches.
I think Aaron Long is going to be important too. He's a late bloomer but has been gr8 in MLS/looked good in these two matches.
highlights.
How did the goalie miss that last goal in extra time?
How did the goalie miss that last goal in extra time?
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I wonder if they'll bring back Confed Cup for 2026.
Logistically it was impossible to do it for Qatar because of the summer. But a 2025 Confed Cup would mint money for FIFA in the US. Could also do an expanded one with 12 teams (Canada, US, Mexico auto qualify). It's far into the future, but it's just too much free money for FIFA to turn down.
Logistically it was impossible to do it for Qatar because of the summer. But a 2025 Confed Cup would mint money for FIFA in the US. Could also do an expanded one with 12 teams (Canada, US, Mexico auto qualify). It's far into the future, but it's just too much free money for FIFA to turn down.
Yankee151
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Yeah, their logic is they need room for expanded playoffs, but aren't most of the continental champs going to be qualified by then, anyways? Especially with more spots in play.
And if not, you could always just replace them with another team from that confederation to round out the cup. I don't know how that'd work, but like you said, I can't see them turning down free money.
And if not, you could always just replace them with another team from that confederation to round out the cup. I don't know how that'd work, but like you said, I can't see them turning down free money.
NML
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USSF offers to pay $200m for a CONCACAF/CONEMBOL tournament next summer
Feels like an inevitability at this point that SA/NA will combine in the next decade or so in multiple ways
- Champions League of some kind
- summer tourney every four years
- wcq?
The latter doesn’t make as much sense, since Brazil doesn’t want to play El Salvador and US doesn’t want to play Argentina in qualifying
Feels like an inevitability at this point that SA/NA will combine in the next decade or so in multiple ways
- Champions League of some kind
- summer tourney every four years
- wcq?
The latter doesn’t make as much sense, since Brazil doesn’t want to play El Salvador and US doesn’t want to play Argentina in qualifying
DeadMan
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The entire women's team sued the USSF for gender discrimination: https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...4d6b7840b82_story.html?utm_term=.f4b98405a670
Definitely a good thing to happen right after a mediocre performance in the She Believes Cup and before the World Cup! Not blaming the players, though, this has been bubbling for a couple of years and the USSF should have addressed it years ago.
Definitely a good thing to happen right after a mediocre performance in the She Believes Cup and before the World Cup! Not blaming the players, though, this has been bubbling for a couple of years and the USSF should have addressed it years ago.
DeadMan
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Eh, that's probably irrelevant to their actual claim. It's certainly relevant to the USSF's defense. And, also, the union has said they want an equal share of the revenue they generate (or at least that's how I read that statement):
Don't see the problem here. If the men are getting 50% of the revenue they generate and the women are getting 25%, that's ridiculous and probably illegal.
Don't see the problem here. If the men are getting 50% of the revenue they generate and the women are getting 25%, that's ridiculous and probably illegal.
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Didn't they agree to a collectively bargained contract recently?
And it's not ridiculous. If the WNT matches make way less money and the profit margins are smaller, then they should be paid differently. The stakes at Men's WC (as well as revenues, prize money) are astronomically higher.
Also the WNT players are employed by US Soccer. The MNT are not. That's a huge difference.
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If you want to see why the USMNT gets a higher percentage, look at the attendance for January vs March when they play in a couple weeks. The men have name recognition, and USSF takes a hit when the big names don’t play.
Doesn’t happen for the women. Hell, the worst attended USSF events were the only competitive matches over the past two years (Women’s CONCACAF Championship)
The USWNT should compare their income vs every other women’s national team (and my guess is they are near the top)
Doesn’t happen for the women. Hell, the worst attended USSF events were the only competitive matches over the past two years (Women’s CONCACAF Championship)
The USWNT should compare their income vs every other women’s national team (and my guess is they are near the top)
DeadMan
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I think those are valid reasons for why the women make less in total, but I'm not sure they're valid reasons for why the women get less of a percentage than the men.
The thing I don't know is how collective bargaining factors into all of this. If you agreed to set compensation in collective bargaining, then does that mean you can later sue for gender discrimination? I honestly don't know.
The thing I don't know is how collective bargaining factors into all of this. If you agreed to set compensation in collective bargaining, then does that mean you can later sue for gender discrimination? I honestly don't know.
Rapinoe is better with either foot than 10/11 of the USMNT donks we throw out there are with their dominant foot.
Our women's fundamentals and technical competency make our men look atrocious. Remember when Carli Lloyd legit scored a 60 yard goal in a wc game? I can't imagine anyone in the pool on the men's side even attempting that. Maybe Trapp or McKenie?
Our women's fundamentals and technical competency make our men look atrocious. Remember when Carli Lloyd legit scored a 60 yard goal in a wc game? I can't imagine anyone in the pool on the men's side even attempting that. Maybe Trapp or McKenie?
NML
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Couple reasons the WNT have a technical advantage
1) the whole game is slower: the players, the passes, the pressure. So it’s much easier to take a great touch and deliver a good ball when all that happens
2) they look 10x better than most other WNTs because women have been playing soccer here longer than most countries and have WAY more avenues to continue their development (with more financial incentive)
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A game where some decent players will be playing!
Berhalter announced that Adams is going to start at RB and do the role that Lima did in January, where he tucks inside in the attack. It’s a really great fit for Adams when we play games that we should control (is Ecuador one of those? Maybe?). But there’s two issues to me
1) Adams isn’t an elite defender, and while he’s a great ball winner, it’s quite different when you are isolated vs talent wingers. So in games where we won’t see as much of the ball, does this make sense?
2) You also knock out Yedlin from a position he’s had for a while, and it’s not as if Yedlin is some MLS lifer who needs replaced. I think playing him as a RM has value - especially if Adams tucks in and needs more cover wide - but in the 4-3-3 he likes to play, I’m just not sure he fits so high up.
I love Teflon and while he’s about as good as he’s ever going to be, that level is a mid-tier EPL FB/wing back, and that’s a level that we just can’t have sitting on the bench.
Steffen withdrew with injury, too. Here’s my guess for lineup
Arriola - Zardes - Yedlin
Pulisic - McKennie
Bradley
Ream - Brooks - Miazga - Adams
Johnson
Could see Long in place of Reams or Miazga, Johnson at GK, or Morris for Yedlin.
Berhalter announced that Adams is going to start at RB and do the role that Lima did in January, where he tucks inside in the attack. It’s a really great fit for Adams when we play games that we should control (is Ecuador one of those? Maybe?). But there’s two issues to me
1) Adams isn’t an elite defender, and while he’s a great ball winner, it’s quite different when you are isolated vs talent wingers. So in games where we won’t see as much of the ball, does this make sense?
2) You also knock out Yedlin from a position he’s had for a while, and it’s not as if Yedlin is some MLS lifer who needs replaced. I think playing him as a RM has value - especially if Adams tucks in and needs more cover wide - but in the 4-3-3 he likes to play, I’m just not sure he fits so high up.
I love Teflon and while he’s about as good as he’s ever going to be, that level is a mid-tier EPL FB/wing back, and that’s a level that we just can’t have sitting on the bench.
Steffen withdrew with injury, too. Here’s my guess for lineup
Arriola - Zardes - Yedlin
Pulisic - McKennie
Bradley
Ream - Brooks - Miazga - Adams
Johnson
Could see Long in place of Reams or Miazga, Johnson at GK, or Morris for Yedlin.
DeadMan
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Bad touch directly in the goal?
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Not sure on McKennie’s injury - didn’t look good but if it was a break, they would’ve wanted to stabilize it right away. Tells me it’s either a bruise or muscular. Either way shouldn’t be long unless it was somehow his ACL
Meh on the performance. Hard to be upset with three wins in three, and three clean sheets, but still some questions. Not impressed with the attack, largely because Zardes does little to nothing
Meh on the performance. Hard to be upset with three wins in three, and three clean sheets, but still some questions. Not impressed with the attack, largely because Zardes does little to nothing
NML
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A 1-1 draw vs Chile with basically the second team is fine. My only disappointment was that Berhalter bunkered in for the last 20 - why are we trying to grind results in friendlies? Just stick with the system.
Hopefully Omar showed enough to never come back. Horvath is a distant #3 for me and maybe not even that when you consider Guzan. Zardes did enough for me to say he’s going to be in camp every time going forward (only player to play in every match), but it’s going to be Jozy if he can get/stay healthy.
Quick guess for Gold Cup
GK: Steffen, Johnson, Guzan
FB: Yedlin, Adams, Ream, Garza, Lima
CB: Brooks, Long, Miazga, Zimmerman
Holding: Bradley, Trapp
CM: Pulisic, McKennie, Lletget, Roldan
Wings: Arriola, Morris, Lewis, Wood
FWD: Altidore, Zardes
Wood not getting called in means he’s a bit of a long shot, but it’s hard to imagine he’s not there and someone like Corey Baird is. Yedlin probably starts at winger with Arriola on the other side, Adams at RB.
Almost always a surprise call up, maybe Romain Gall, Kenny Saief, or some U23 like Weah or Sargent
Hopefully Omar showed enough to never come back. Horvath is a distant #3 for me and maybe not even that when you consider Guzan. Zardes did enough for me to say he’s going to be in camp every time going forward (only player to play in every match), but it’s going to be Jozy if he can get/stay healthy.
Quick guess for Gold Cup
GK: Steffen, Johnson, Guzan
FB: Yedlin, Adams, Ream, Garza, Lima
CB: Brooks, Long, Miazga, Zimmerman
Holding: Bradley, Trapp
CM: Pulisic, McKennie, Lletget, Roldan
Wings: Arriola, Morris, Lewis, Wood
FWD: Altidore, Zardes
Wood not getting called in means he’s a bit of a long shot, but it’s hard to imagine he’s not there and someone like Corey Baird is. Yedlin probably starts at winger with Arriola on the other side, Adams at RB.
Almost always a surprise call up, maybe Romain Gall, Kenny Saief, or some U23 like Weah or Sargent
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Zardes is in great form. He just creates goals. I'm probably the highest on him of anyone in the country but I've always liked him.
I agree I never want to see Omar again. He looks finished. Horvath's passing was horrific.
That's a great roster guess. Baird/Weah I bet would make it over Lewis/Wood depending on how Baird plays for RSL. Lewis isn't even first choice on NYCFC. Wood's had a bad year although I guess he has more flexibility than Baird/Weah. I also think maybe one more CM or FW and only 3 out and out wingers with the idea that Pulisic or Yedlin could slide out there. Maybe Novakovich if he continues to play well for Fortuna.
I agree I never want to see Omar again. He looks finished. Horvath's passing was horrific.
That's a great roster guess. Baird/Weah I bet would make it over Lewis/Wood depending on how Baird plays for RSL. Lewis isn't even first choice on NYCFC. Wood's had a bad year although I guess he has more flexibility than Baird/Weah. I also think maybe one more CM or FW and only 3 out and out wingers with the idea that Pulisic or Yedlin could slide out there. Maybe Novakovich if he continues to play well for Fortuna.