IF we actually get a new player, I think helping them would be nice. Should probably splash Hayvis some cash too, since he didn't understand the tickets and it might have hurt him a bit this year.
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jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
We should only close the gap so much. The rest is up to the owners. Buncha Bernie Sanders in here
Soonerfan09
Well-Known Member
I would much rather start all over than give away prospects.
@NML what is your optimal gap between the high and low budgets? 50-60% seems reasonable, but maybe people want equal budgets.
From personal observation I’d suggest $35 as a ticket cap. OU, JD and myself seemed to cap there and it was plenty of money. More than that seems unnecessary. You’d probably be 180-185 ish with a 110-115 floor.
From personal observation I’d suggest $35 as a ticket cap. OU, JD and myself seemed to cap there and it was plenty of money. More than that seems unnecessary. You’d probably be 180-185 ish with a 110-115 floor.
Well, you can choose to be a giant cunt if you want, it would be voluntary to DONATE prospects. I'm glad you're volunteerin to be a villain, we've been in short supply of them lately.
Also, I didn't even say they had to be PROSPECTS, lol, they can be lower case prospects. How many AAAA potential players you want to horde? I just sent like 5 AAAA dudes to Paris and I haven't been paying attention to my minors in YEARS.
jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
If we go to equal budgets I QUIT
NML
Well-Known Member
Hard to say, especially with the removal of IFA, which will naturally help control big clubs.
I’d just like to see the ability to succeed at the floor (which you can do over time now, but its almost impossible to be a contender with a small budget) and to struggle at the ceiling (i.e. not have our top budget make the playoffs 23 straight years)
One thing I wish I had tracked is the highest budget to ever not make the playoffs. Maybe you could do some manual research there, but that might be a good judge? On the flip side, the smallest budget to ever win a WS (or even make one).
Soonerfan09
Well-Known Member
If that's the solution to the problem, I would rather restart.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
Buncha socialists, we have truly lost our roots as a dead football forum / libertarian group think tank.
Save us @GuyIncognito
Save us @GuyIncognito
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
Travis consistent with this UPLIFT SPECIES nonsense. The more loathsome they behave, the more he tries to help! Not sure what the English equivalent of a fish finder is but I'm sure it's in the Amazon wish list right about now.
jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
Definitely no hard floor me thinks. Or set it at like $90m and we can adjust it in the future down the road if need be. Before acquiring Cliff my payroll was somewhere around $72m and I'm sitting in 2nd place. FWIW
TonyGin&Juice
Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
You assume some of us that have actually been playing have five decent prospects.
VOLUNTARILY, you dumb fuckers... Also, ur not a HAVE
Soonerfan09
Well-Known Member
If I have to voluntarily give away my players, I’d rather restart.
can't argue with that.
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
Removing IFA will force big clubs to spend more on big league talent. It's not insane like it was before with the current set up and how quickly guys sign. It's not going to have a huge effect on the budgets like it would have a few seasons ago.
Can you implement two year bans? Or increase tax?
I'm not a huge IFA guy, I just don't see how it helps small budget teams especially when small IFA buys can develop into good players.
Can you implement two year bans? Or increase tax?
I'm not a huge IFA guy, I just don't see how it helps small budget teams especially when small IFA buys can develop into good players.
jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
Established are the ones that end up amongst regular FAs?
jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
Definitely worth keeping. I would QUIT if I couldn't significantly overpay for some severely under performing greens and blues.
NML
Well-Known Member
That’s like saying FA helps small budget teams because small contracts can be productive players
Sure, they can, but it’s a market driven by who spends the most, which of course means big markets get the best and small markets get what’s left - which, occasionally, contains good players.
Remove IFA and the random pop up players, force prospects through a channel that we can control and give small markets their only chance to get first choice
Soonerfan09
Well-Known Member
Limit how much they can spend instead of removing it entirely. Cap IFA to 4M/year.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
TonyGin&Juice
Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
Isn't NML just describing the MLB Rule 5 Draft? There are TONS of guys that end up signing Minor League extensions that never hit FA that should.
NML
Well-Known Member
Sorry, by small markets I mean small budgets
Nah, although I’m unsure how a Rule 5/Gauntlet Threwn draft would balance things. With the ability to retrospectively retain anybody, I think it wouldn’t have a major effect either way, but maybe filling out rosters with minimum AAAA guys would help small budget teams compete?
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
What channel? Are you talking about the draft?
TonyGin&Juice
Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
Look, I don't see another league taking off and we've already got @Rutgers Mike @jdlikewhoa and ME back to immersion 70/80 HIGH. Make the changes @Yankee151 was talking about and let's roll on.
Karl Hungus
Here to fix the cable
A draft where I actually give a shit after round 2 would be nice.
I typically only monitor rounds 1-3 on my short list. Guys in rounds 1-2 have a good high chance of making the WBL, but part of that is because I started prioritizing college players who are already further along in Dev. Round 3 has been really hit or miss, but I've had a few make the WBL as role players. After that I've made lists of guys my scout likes better than OSA I've drafted a few players who turned out. It's like 1:50 past round 3 that make my MLB team and I've only had 2 ever that turned into legit starters.
I drafted my best batter ever in round 5! Griff Dentwas a trog bat, but I remember my scout had him with 75 power, so he was on my list of HS guys with strange potential that I typically draft in the middle rounds. Dent is definitely the best player I've ever I've had beyond round 3.
and then In the late rounds I typically just make a list of guys with decently balanced ratings and good intangibles, in hopes that they'll be good minor league system players. I drafted this guy in Round 11 and he was a victim of me never paying attention to my minor league system while I was bored, and spent like a decade in AAA before getting the call due to injury part way through the year. I'm actually gonna give him some more reps for the rest of this year and next year and see if he sticks! An 11th round draft pick would make a good story. I believe he's the first guy >round 10 that has made my WBL roster.
I drafted my best batter ever in round 5! Griff Dentwas a trog bat, but I remember my scout had him with 75 power, so he was on my list of HS guys with strange potential that I typically draft in the middle rounds. Dent is definitely the best player I've ever I've had beyond round 3.
and then In the late rounds I typically just make a list of guys with decently balanced ratings and good intangibles, in hopes that they'll be good minor league system players. I drafted this guy in Round 11 and he was a victim of me never paying attention to my minor league system while I was bored, and spent like a decade in AAA before getting the call due to injury part way through the year. I'm actually gonna give him some more reps for the rest of this year and next year and see if he sticks! An 11th round draft pick would make a good story. I believe he's the first guy >round 10 that has made my WBL roster.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I think IFA can be a great tool for rebuilding teams. Lean years you can minimize budget and time your investments in IFAs. IFAs are a couple years behind, so they join your crop of draftees. I like to go heavy IFA, then in two years target HS, then college to get a big swell of talent at the same time to create a competition window
LMAO at the last 3 pages
so, here's where i think a happy marriage b/t what nml was proposing to do vs the olds
got the idea from Travis btw
but basically, instead of thrusting any new/old members from this board into a team, have a current manager take a prospective one under the wing to help co manage a team currently in use
one season, then let the prospect run one of the non human controlled teams in the next season still keeping the current league in tact while filling in with more human teams. If there still AI teams, then go to OOTP and recruit
thoughts?? be honest, nothing will hurt my feelings if you think its trash
so, here's where i think a happy marriage b/t what nml was proposing to do vs the olds
got the idea from Travis btw
but basically, instead of thrusting any new/old members from this board into a team, have a current manager take a prospective one under the wing to help co manage a team currently in use
one season, then let the prospect run one of the non human controlled teams in the next season still keeping the current league in tact while filling in with more human teams. If there still AI teams, then go to OOTP and recruit
thoughts?? be honest, nothing will hurt my feelings if you think its trash
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
I'm happier now I've got some guidance. When I first came into the league the old owners just left me to it, threw insults at me and even tried to steal my credit card details. Since I kung-fu kicked @Travis7401 in the face, he's come around to helping me out a bit.
doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I am really doubting you understand how the economics in this game with posts like this + fixing media contracts.
If you want to "even" things out-- the idea is to make big markets SPEND money. If you eliminate IFA, there will be MORE money for them to spend on ML FAs. So increase the tax, add a 2-year ban, etc. but getting rid of it is not going to help smaller budgets.
The game is about being consistently good and building from there.
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doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I don't do minor league extensions anymore but getting rid of them (if possible) would be good.
I would also lower the year in which players become a minor league FA. So they are becoming minor league free agents a year (or even two) sooner.
NML
Well-Known Member
That makes no sense. You don’t want big markets to spend money, you want them to have less money.
Any avenue where money rules is an advantage for teams with more of it. I don’t even see how that’s debatable
I see were in the part of the script where our big money teams backtrack and actually don’t want to give up anything
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THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
and I see the part of the script where someone doesn't play for 4-5 seasons, comes back and sees his team sucks and tries to neuter the league.
It's not that hard of a concept but let me spell it out for you: you want big league teams to be lighting money on fire on guys who won't be useful for 5 years vs. spending that money on free agents that will help them now. I have wasted so much on IFAs who suck. I know you haven't played for a long time, but the IFA engine is way less predictable than it was in previous versions of the game.
If you think getting rid of avenues to get players and make decisions/strategy is going to increase immersion, it's not. Now you go from in the off-season teams deciding if they're going to spend in IFA or FA to just FA. How is that good for small budgets?
What the fuck is a minor league extension?
NML
Well-Known Member
lol it has nothing to do with my team. I could make the playoffs next year if I wanted. I just want to make the league full. I won my division like four straight seasons and left because it’s boring and not a challenge to get good and stay there when six teams are on auto
It makes no sense to say that having an area where bigger money gets better players is better for small money teams. Ur argument falls apart there