Mr. Radpants
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Just cancel the draft. A 29 pick second round? You guys are ridiculous.
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Just cancel the draft. A 29 pick second round? You guys are ridiculous.
Mr. Radpants
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Was he impossible?
Extremely Hard. I was told if I offered his demand he would sign and he didn't. Looking at forums, apparently that changed in OOTP16 to where players are harder to sign than they used to be and you should not negotiate with "Extremely Hard" and offer them exactly what they want (or a little more if you aren't going to have chance for negotiations). There is a chance that I dicked this up because it was my first draft too, because I did "suggest" a lower term first before meeting demand and exporting. I really did want to sign the guy, so I recommend just hitting the "meet demand" button right off.
Ding Ding, Cookies done baking.
I shant be trolled any longer, it is impossible by every measure to have more than one comp pick per round and now that you know that and continue with this it is obvious this is just to annoy wolf or something. I lol'd at your "bear with me" part though, that 18+18 is less than 22 made me laugh
Well he had Dani Gut, who was even better.
nothing annoys me with this place anymore. You've gotta take everything and everyone with a grain assault or you'll just always be mad
Mr. Radpants
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All important lots have been cast, sorry for your lots. Comp picks are off starting now.
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Comp picks should be off, but what about Travis' pick where he offered what was asked and then the guy didn't sign? He only had one shot at him, and did what would normally get the jerb done. It just didn't work out that way.
Right we'd have to have some honor system that people can resort to. The chances of either happening are rare and i can verify the impossible tag.
If travis actually offered demand and the guy didnt sign it will be the first time ive ever heard of that happening which is concerning. Makes our set up worse
Like I said doe, I initially tried to " suggest" a lower amount before osick told me there was no SIM to negotiate, so I should just offer full demand, which I did. I'm guessing my initial "suggestion" still registered and triggered him to be offended even though I ended up suggesting what he asked for.
I looked at OOTP forums and the consensus was "meet demand" works for extremely hard. And that "impossible" really means offer 50% more than demand and there is at least a chance they sign.
I looked at OOTP forums and the consensus was "meet demand" works for extremely hard. And that "impossible" really means offer 50% more than demand and there is at least a chance they sign.
Mr. Radpants
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Travis offended him and when he got up to leave, Travis ran after him, conceding his position and begging the guy to sign for more money. But the damage was done.
Yeah ive really never come across a non impossible guy not signing for demand. If you guys want more time to sign guys we can do that. I'll change anything relating to the game if the league wants it.
Past knowledge says that you only get one chance with hard or very hard signability anyway though, if they dont like your first offer they wont negotiate anymore. Normal you get one mess up i think, and easy/veryeasy you get 2-3
I never said 18+18 was less than 22, I said there were too many comp picks. I was misunderstood about it being "one per round per team" but there are STILL too many comp picks. There were 11 unsigned 2nd round picks. You had 3 of them, meaning there were only 9 teams that didn't sign a 2nd round pick... That means there should be a max of 9 comp picks max. That would mean there should be a max of 27 picks in the 2nd round. There are 11 comp picks and 29 total picks. PLZ explain. I mean go look at the draft order if you don't believe me. Each team that has a compensatory pick ended up with 2, except for Amsterdam who will have 4 picks.
Also @Travis7401 i dont do pick trades in game until the draft so it's easier at that point (since some picks get traded multiple times and you can only trade them ingame once). Idk how osick has been doing it but anybody with two picks in a round has a comp pick.
I am worried about the signability thing though because i offer demand to every pick within reason, i remember one or two being impossible but i dont even look at the signability after the first round unless i like the player.
I am worried about the signability thing though because i offer demand to every pick within reason, i remember one or two being impossible but i dont even look at the signability after the first round unless i like the player.
Im guessing the team i traded with got a comp pick from me not signing them
This is why we end comp picks.
I think this will be one of the most important drafts honestly, because a good chunk of players that probably should have been in the draft pool last year, plus all the guys we failed to sign, are in this pool. It is going to be deep through 3 rounds at least even with the long rounds.
I still think we can do everything in one sim, but we should just make sure everyone is aware/ready/exported with their offers this time because it seems like a few of us mongs either weren't ready or didn't understand and that just created a mess. I also think the default not having a compensatory pick is a good stance, with fair warning that you shouldn't draft an "impossible to sign" player. If something weird happens and you want a comp pick, then just explain and request.
Like for me I honestly realize I just monged my pick up by not understanding how the system work and I prolly shouldn't be rewarded for that, lol.
I still think we can do everything in one sim, but we should just make sure everyone is aware/ready/exported with their offers this time because it seems like a few of us mongs either weren't ready or didn't understand and that just created a mess. I also think the default not having a compensatory pick is a good stance, with fair warning that you shouldn't draft an "impossible to sign" player. If something weird happens and you want a comp pick, then just explain and request.
Like for me I honestly realize I just monged my pick up by not understanding how the system work and I prolly shouldn't be rewarded for that, lol.
Yes you should because you didn't know. New guys get a pass from me on a wide variety of things. Ive cancelled contracts, reset cash, done alot of things for new guys who mess up unintentionally. Or at least act like it was unintentional.
I seriously put walls of red text in the largest font in threads and put what we're doing in the thread titles. Idk what else we can do. Everybody give me their cell so I can group text?
If you dont export on signing day i sign for you. So that isnt an issue. I signed basically all of Reel's classes. There would be no fred or desi if reel was left to sign them
I seriously put walls of red text in the largest font in threads and put what we're doing in the thread titles. Idk what else we can do. Everybody give me their cell so I can group text?
If you dont export on signing day i sign for you. So that isnt an issue. I signed basically all of Reel's classes. There would be no fred or desi if reel was left to sign them
Well that's new. I retract my trog accusations, my bad. The comp pick never was attached to the actual traded pick in the past. If you can decipher what that means.. I really dont know how to say it better. Ive traded for firsts that i couldnt sign and just lost the pick, ive never been rewarded one.
Good news is that we now only have 26 picks in the second now.
and like you said, I'm guessing you had received those other picks from trades so they didn't register as "your" pick?
And honestly I only started this conversation because I thought it was hilarious that it turned out that Wolfman wasn't even in the top half of the "offenders"
I still think he cheated doe.
I still think he cheated doe.
Shit, yeah because i dont trade them in game anymore and use the website they register as mine when the draft gets imported.
I really dont remember last draft but i might have just not signed one or two because I'd rather throw the pick away than have them on my team. I guess since i didnt pass on any guys in round 1-3 in so long i had no idea how comp picks were attached.
DOWN WITH WOLFMAN
Lloyd Carr
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Ill take a 2nd round pick if anyone is giving any away.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
LESS COMP PICKS MOAR SIMS
So each team gets 1 comp pick per round right?
If that is the case, then your 2 extra comp picks were the only obvious ones (multiple comp picks per round). I'm not sure how to check if any of the others had been from trades.
Well kind of. That's how it should work, but now it's more "each pick gets a comp pick if player is not signed". You can see where teams picked, the comp picks will be one pick back from that spot. If you dont sign the 1-8, you get a 1-9 comp next year.
I'll look tomorrow
No one cares about the second round. He was going to cheat in the first round like you did.And honestly I only started this conversation because I thought it was hilarious that it turned out that Wolfman wasn't even in the top half of the "offenders"
I still think he cheated doe.
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Re: the draft and comp picks a few things...
The last two years we've only had one sim to sign guys. It's leading to a significant rise in the number of comp picks. I failed to signed a guy I really wanted last draft (late 2nd round IIRC) then he went top 10 this last drat. It's just the way it is.
The game follows the new CBA (2011 or 12?) rules when it comes to the draft. You get that comp pick and the chance to sign it for two years (it was one but that gave too much leverage to the players) until you lose it. I think it's a fair rule. I believe too it's just the top 3 rounds in the game and IRL.
HOWEVER to get the comp pick you have to give an offer "in good faith" or something like that. You can't draft a guy then offer him $100 and tell him to fuck off because you want the pick the next year. The only exception is if someone fails a physical like Brady Aiken allegedly did or I believe Shane Loux was a guy who did a few years ago. So if someone like wolf cheats just doesn't offer the dude (or offers him shit) and if it's possible to see in the game, IMO they shouldn't get the pick.
jdlikewhoa
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Just give me my first round comp pick for this coming draft. Thanks
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I'm fine with turning it off right now. Sorry cheaters.
