Mr. Radpants
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Sure but there was some random offsides in the second quarter that went the Canes way, so it wasn't that bad a call.
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Sure but there was some random offsides in the second quarter that went the Canes way, so it wasn't that bad a call.
Lightningwar
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My wife and I watched this on netflix this week and agree, that was an abomination of a call. I also fear my wife may become a canes fan due to these 30 for 30s.
GuyIncognito
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I remember talking to Glenn about that play. He told me if he'd just done one more pushup and had a little more faith in our offensive line scheme, he'd have mustered the skill to avoid the flag.
CJ_24
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It's so silly looking at the BCS that year. Miami (#3) beat #2 (FSU, and #5 (VT).
The problem was that #2 FSU lost to #3 Miami, while #3 Miami lost to #4 Washington. So, FSU had the "better loss", and that gave them the edge in the computers, never-mind that, that loss was to the #3 team who also beat #5. *
SHOULD HAVE BEEN THREE STRAIGHT TITLES.
VIRGINIA TECH, WELCOME TO ANOTHER DECADE OF IRRELEVANCE!
*I'll add the caveat that I can't remember exactly if VT was 5 and UW was 4 or if it was vice versa.
The problem was that #2 FSU lost to #3 Miami, while #3 Miami lost to #4 Washington. So, FSU had the "better loss", and that gave them the edge in the computers, never-mind that, that loss was to the #3 team who also beat #5. *
SHOULD HAVE BEEN THREE STRAIGHT TITLES.
VIRGINIA TECH, WELCOME TO ANOTHER DECADE OF IRRELEVANCE!
*I'll add the caveat that I can't remember exactly if VT was 5 and UW was 4 or if it was vice versa.
Keith1212
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Like I always said, there's no doubt that Swasey was great at being "basically dad" but the fact that he sucked at the weight room part of his job is important and is what got him fired. The sucking at the weight room part is also what is easiest to see. So while you put everything on the "basically dad" part I rightfully don't give a fuck. Anybody can do that shit. It's the knowledge and experience in putting together a decent strength program that the program has been missing for too long from my view.
It's not rocket science but its not as simple as you wish it was either. Getting someone qualified in there will help the football program better than Swasey was. That's all the hatred was about. While you were cool with keeping everything as is with a coordinator change or two most sensible people that want what's best for the program saw that wholesale changes needed to be made.
GuyIncognito
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It's NOT what the hatred was about because the internet fans are in no position to assess whether someone is qualified for their job, especially not over the protests of the players themselves and the NFL product.
The idea that you know better than all the Miami players what it takes to be a good strength coach is laughable on its face. The suggestion you incessantly make that Swasey is the reason the team declined on the field is similarly ridiculous and flies in the face of the data.
The suggestion that you have some inside knowledge of UGA's assistant strength coach to determine that Miami has made a step up in that department (even while UGA fans cheer their departure with the same bullshit you spew about Miami) is incomprehensible.
The idea that you know better than all the Miami players what it takes to be a good strength coach is laughable on its face. The suggestion you incessantly make that Swasey is the reason the team declined on the field is similarly ridiculous and flies in the face of the data.
The suggestion that you have some inside knowledge of UGA's assistant strength coach to determine that Miami has made a step up in that department (even while UGA fans cheer their departure with the same bullshit you spew about Miami) is incomprehensible.
GuyIncognito
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And don't get me started on hearing about "what's best for the program" from someone who has zero connection or stake in any of it, and whose fandom started based on a videogame.
You have as much authority to speak on what's best for Miami football as I do to lecture the Pittsburgh Penguins about their situation because I always played them in NHL 94.
You have as much authority to speak on what's best for Miami football as I do to lecture the Pittsburgh Penguins about their situation because I always played them in NHL 94.
yeah, I always hate it when professional internet commenters with no first-hand experience or knowledge of a subject act like authorities on something because they read something online and have some unassailable opinions based on nothing of substance, don't you?
GuyIncognito
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"Based on nothing of substance" is the key there. A lack of evidence, a lack of data, a lack of logic. Sure, yeah, I hate that. I hate when people can't support their uneducated opinions with anything but repeating them. And I hate when people make insinuations and then scurry off without ever bothering to flesh out their argument.
If you're going to offer an opinion and fight for it, then have some substance to your argument.
If you're going to offer an opinion and fight for it, then have some substance to your argument.
Keith1212
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Firstly, I became a Miami Hurricane fan before I joined this board. I was a Miami Hurricane fan before I joined the Ikon version of this board which is before you even got here. The NCAA game had nothing to do with me being a fan, it just led me to this community. I have no ties to the school. I did choose the Hurricanes when I became aware of college football but I did stick with them through all this crap and will continue to stick with them.
I don't care to really argue with you on this because I don't want to prove anything to you. When it comes to football I think you got screwed. Your experience on those underachieving Cane's teams with shit staffs wasn't good in terms of acquiring football knowledge or understanding the game. That's the kind of impact playing for shit coaches has on football knowledge. I went from a decent coaching staff in HS to a really good one in college (D3 to be clear) and the experience between the two was night and day. What they had us focus on when it came to film, the techniques they had us practice and how they had us work out was so far beyond what I did before. Then a few of my friends and teammates from HS played division 1 and 2 ball. Two of them went pro. I went to go see them up at their schools. I spoke to their teammates. That experience and access helped me understand the game a little better than most. I was able to see and understand that all those Cane's teams you were on the practice squad for were under coached badly. So with that and who and what you argue for here, I can tell you don't know football as well as you think you do. All you know is shit Canes football and that's your problem. All that means is when I shit on the people you know from back then you get really pissy and talk a ton of shit because you're coming from a place of ignorance and personal bias. Not a good mix.
Anyway, Miami football has been relative shit for a long time now. The school finally changed course with Donna Shalala's departure and hired a decent coach for once. He fired everybody which says a ton. Let's see how the upcoming seasons play out. I'm looking forward.
I don't care to really argue with you on this because I don't want to prove anything to you. When it comes to football I think you got screwed. Your experience on those underachieving Cane's teams with shit staffs wasn't good in terms of acquiring football knowledge or understanding the game. That's the kind of impact playing for shit coaches has on football knowledge. I went from a decent coaching staff in HS to a really good one in college (D3 to be clear) and the experience between the two was night and day. What they had us focus on when it came to film, the techniques they had us practice and how they had us work out was so far beyond what I did before. Then a few of my friends and teammates from HS played division 1 and 2 ball. Two of them went pro. I went to go see them up at their schools. I spoke to their teammates. That experience and access helped me understand the game a little better than most. I was able to see and understand that all those Cane's teams you were on the practice squad for were under coached badly. So with that and who and what you argue for here, I can tell you don't know football as well as you think you do. All you know is shit Canes football and that's your problem. All that means is when I shit on the people you know from back then you get really pissy and talk a ton of shit because you're coming from a place of ignorance and personal bias. Not a good mix.
Anyway, Miami football has been relative shit for a long time now. The school finally changed course with Donna Shalala's departure and hired a decent coach for once. He fired everybody which says a ton. Let's see how the upcoming seasons play out. I'm looking forward.
GuyIncognito
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Wait, what? You've done nothing but bitch and moan and complain for the last decade. How is that sticking with anything? You constantly troll this thread with your bile about everybody and everything. What the hell are you talking about? Constantly bitching and demanding everybody's head on a pike is not "sticking with" shit. It's internet fandom.
The guy with no attachment to football or the program and who became a fan from video games is complaining about the ignorance of the ex-players about their own program? Got it.
GuyIncognito
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That's the other thing that bugs me about all this. I'm not sure why anybody pretends to care that much in the first place. This shit is just a constant reminder that people put way too much of their emotional well-being in something that has absolutely no effect on their lives at all.
Most of the time it's just kind of a quirk of life, but when it turns as malicious as this anti-Miami thing has gotten over the past few years, it's really depressing. I take it personally because I have personal relationships with some of these people and I don't want them to be hurt. Kevin Beard has a family. Kehoe has a family. These guys have to uproot their entire lives and scrape something else together now, and that sucks.
But why the fuck does some internet fan half the world away care so much and take it so personally as to gloat and brag over the misfortune of these people? The fact that anyone would derive so much satisfaction from such a negative thing is so perverted and warped to me. To them it's their livelihood. To the internet fan it's *nothing* it's a couple hours of your Saturday. It's a fucking game, one that the internet fan has invested absolutely nothing into.
Be satisfied that you think the team is on the upswing, fine, but to constantly gloat over and denigrate individuals just to be spiteful, I just don't get it.
Keith1212
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Haha. So sticking with it to you means rooting for the team and not complaining. How idiotic.
Oh you still don't get that? haha.
That's because of you. Look at how you post about this. You post just like the majority of the internet Cane fans you keep trying to crap on but you somehow manage to be even more clueless. You always put yourself on some pedestal as an ex-player when you were just a walk on practice squad guy on some shit Miami teams. That kind of shit means nothing to me regardless. Especially with the way you post regarding the team. You thought Miami was a coordinator or two away from doing better. What team are you watching?
You should take your head out of the clouds. I don't know what your head was doing up there in the first place but it's not just internet fans that were sick of where the program was going. A few of your teammates that actually managed to start and get into the league weren't happy with where things were either. I don't even know if you knew that with the shit you're talking.
All of that shit is irrelevant. Stop being a dick. I don't give a fuck that you were on past teams. Get over my differing opinion. Your friends are gone and the program is better for it.
Agree or disagree, it doesn't matter, go Canes
GuyIncognito
pressure cooker full of skittles
wat. I don't "put myself on a pedestal" at all, except insofar as my own personal experience allows me to know bullshit like "the strength and conditioning coach is the reason we lose games" when I see it.
But calling that bullshit out doesn't require any particular "inside" knowledge. Southpaw called it out too. And Lightningwar. All it takes is a modicum of familiarity with how a football program operates to see why that's such a stupid criticism of Miami under Swasey.
And Miami is a couple coordinators away, we're going to find that out real soon. Unless you also extend your weird understanding of strength and conditioning to suggest that any success the team has this year will only be the result of 6 months of strength training under a new staff.
But all of that is beside the point. Your gloomy, bitchy attitude started way before Richt was hired and way before anyone was let go. So it has nothing to do with me, it has to do with "fans" who only care about the team insofar as they liked playing them in a video game and not having a very solid perspective about the role of college football in the life of someone who has exactly zero invested in any of it.
You claim you got everything you want and you're still in here trolling and bitching. What does that say?
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Mr. Radpants
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GuyIncognito
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And nobody was happy with "where things were." Wow, that's some deep insight there. The former players didn't care for more than a decade of mediocrity.
That's not the problem. The problem is the laughable-on-its face argument that Andreu Swasey, Art Kehoe, and Kevin Beard were the reason the defense was trash and the offense called stupid plays all the time. And none of them deserve any credit for the individual success of the players they individually worked with.
Everything negative that had nothing to do with them was their fault, every bit of success produced by them was just a fluke or luck or some other shit.
Anybody who watched this team under Golden, Coley, and D'Onofrio and concluded "hmm, the problem is the WR coach, the OL coach, and the fact that these guys can't clean as much as they should" shouldn't be allowed to watch football anymore.
That's not the problem. The problem is the laughable-on-its face argument that Andreu Swasey, Art Kehoe, and Kevin Beard were the reason the defense was trash and the offense called stupid plays all the time. And none of them deserve any credit for the individual success of the players they individually worked with.
Everything negative that had nothing to do with them was their fault, every bit of success produced by them was just a fluke or luck or some other shit.
Anybody who watched this team under Golden, Coley, and D'Onofrio and concluded "hmm, the problem is the WR coach, the OL coach, and the fact that these guys can't clean as much as they should" shouldn't be allowed to watch football anymore.
Keith1212
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hahaha
They were all problems. You think Kehoe and Swasey weren't problems, I say they were all problems.
Keith1212
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Mr. Radpants
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This isn't arguing to me. I'm just talking shit
Feel free to take part
This probably breaks my don't get worked up about sports policy that I put in place a few years back.
Mak, I do think there are panic monkeys and people who get pretty negative about individual players/coaches in every fanbase. I also think that the overall attitude of SoFla fans is pretty vitriolic compared to other areas. Dudes taking arguments to the point where there are real life threats made, etc. I think you oversimplify things by blaming this on Internet fans. NY alumni and transplants, SoFla natives, internet fans from wherever... There are a lot of factors that go into the expectations and negativity.
GuyIncognito
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It's true that internet fans is probably underinclusive. And like I said above in response to Yankee's post, I do think some of this nonsense is present across the country and has more to do with how we internalize sports despite the fact none of it matters.
But I also think Miami is uniquely susceptible to this bullshit from the internet fans. It's a small, expensive school without a very wide alumni base. It's also a very prominent and successful program over the past generation that earned it a lot of fans with no attachment to the university. So I think the internet fans are probably more of a problem for Miami than most programs (if for no other reason than that they're not outweighed by some huge state-based alumni base).
And just to be clear, people can have whatever expectations they want, and they can be negative when the team sucks. It's the very personal nature of this hate toward some of these people that is weird and perverted. I thought D'Onofrio and Golden should be fired, but I'm not like, in glee at their misfortune. I'm not still talking shit on them after they're gone. As far as I know, Golden is a good man with a family to take care of. It's not a good thing that he's out of a job even if I think it was necessary.
So it's the particularly malicious and spiteful hate these goons have for the people in this program that A) makes me uncomfortable, and B) pisses me off. If you take this shit so personally despite having absolutely no involvement or investment with the team, there is something wrong with you. I'd hate to see how that warped perception manifests itself in other parts of someone's life who acts like that.
But I also think Miami is uniquely susceptible to this bullshit from the internet fans. It's a small, expensive school without a very wide alumni base. It's also a very prominent and successful program over the past generation that earned it a lot of fans with no attachment to the university. So I think the internet fans are probably more of a problem for Miami than most programs (if for no other reason than that they're not outweighed by some huge state-based alumni base).
And just to be clear, people can have whatever expectations they want, and they can be negative when the team sucks. It's the very personal nature of this hate toward some of these people that is weird and perverted. I thought D'Onofrio and Golden should be fired, but I'm not like, in glee at their misfortune. I'm not still talking shit on them after they're gone. As far as I know, Golden is a good man with a family to take care of. It's not a good thing that he's out of a job even if I think it was necessary.
So it's the particularly malicious and spiteful hate these goons have for the people in this program that A) makes me uncomfortable, and B) pisses me off. If you take this shit so personally despite having absolutely no involvement or investment with the team, there is something wrong with you. I'd hate to see how that warped perception manifests itself in other parts of someone's life who acts like that.
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
Nice win against Duke last night. Corch L teams so fun to watch. Our D is great.
The worst Miami online fan thing is (was?) fans who rooted against the basketball team because they thought basketball success would cover up football failure, or something.
The worst Miami online fan thing is (was?) fans who rooted against the basketball team because they thought basketball success would cover up football failure, or something.
GuyIncognito
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Yeah, watching the game while playing Elite. I always feel compelled to disclaim my BB posts with the fact that I don't know much about basketball, but it seems to me we're great at running people off the 3 point line and just generally hounding everyone all game long.
goblue96
Disney and Curling Expert
Should have promoted him to the football job.
GuyIncognito
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Credentials. Thought this was interesting, especially since our football program may as well have not existed before the 80s.
BasinBictory
OUT with the GOUT
Another way to look at it might be that the top guys in any draft class usually get drafted by shitty teams and often come nowhere near a Superbowl appearance because they spend their best years toiling for 6-10 teams.
goblue96
Disney and Curling Expert
Russell Maryland was drafted #1 and Michael Irvin #11 and they got to three Superb Owls.
QBs like Carson Palmer wet the bed in their best chance to reach a Superb Owl.
Lightningwar
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Waiting on certifications to complete staff.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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ITT Mak bemoans internet fans with no personal attachment to UM to the same
GuyIncognito
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More specifically, bemoans internet fans who have spent the last decade being endlessly negative and nasty toward a program they have no reason to be attached to in the first place.
I don't mind fans that have no connection to the program. Miami is a small school, it's an expensive, private school. We're going to have a much bigger fan base than alumni base. But if you are one of these people and you find yourself spewing nothing but malevolence about everybody and everything all the time, then maybe it's time to wonder why you bother in the first place.
I grew up cheering for the Pittsburgh Penguins (entirely because of NHLPA 93 and NHL 94, and all my friends wanting to be Wayne Gretzky while I wanted to be a contrarian and pick someone else, like the guy who turned Gretzky's number upside down). I have no connection except the video game. But if I ever got to the point where I hated the coaches, hated the players, hated everything about the team, I'd just stop. I wouldn't be trolling their fan boards looking for fights to pick about how much I hated everything. I'd just stop. That's the luxury of having no attachment.
So that's what I think is bizarre and ridiculous: people who have no connection to the program, who started cheering for Miami because of NCAA Football or whatever, talking endless misery and shit about Miami when there is nothing keeping them here in the first place. Go cheer for somebody else then. Go cheer for the school you actually went to, the team you actually played for, any team within a few hundred miles of where you grew up. We'll be straight without your "support."
I don't mind fans that have no connection to the program. Miami is a small school, it's an expensive, private school. We're going to have a much bigger fan base than alumni base. But if you are one of these people and you find yourself spewing nothing but malevolence about everybody and everything all the time, then maybe it's time to wonder why you bother in the first place.
I grew up cheering for the Pittsburgh Penguins (entirely because of NHLPA 93 and NHL 94, and all my friends wanting to be Wayne Gretzky while I wanted to be a contrarian and pick someone else, like the guy who turned Gretzky's number upside down). I have no connection except the video game. But if I ever got to the point where I hated the coaches, hated the players, hated everything about the team, I'd just stop. I wouldn't be trolling their fan boards looking for fights to pick about how much I hated everything. I'd just stop. That's the luxury of having no attachment.
So that's what I think is bizarre and ridiculous: people who have no connection to the program, who started cheering for Miami because of NCAA Football or whatever, talking endless misery and shit about Miami when there is nothing keeping them here in the first place. Go cheer for somebody else then. Go cheer for the school you actually went to, the team you actually played for, any team within a few hundred miles of where you grew up. We'll be straight without your "support."
Mr. Radpants
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I liked the uniforms when I was a kid. Probably saw Lamar Thomas shooting guns on the ramp or something.
The fans that rooted against the basketball program because they thought the AD would never get fired if basketball was successful were the worst. I think that's when I gave up on Canes boards.
The fans that rooted against the basketball program because they thought the AD would never get fired if basketball was successful were the worst. I think that's when I gave up on Canes boards.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Mr. Radpants
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I was at the last game in the OB. What a shit show. To lay an egg with the whole town there and all the former players.
UVA fans were going nuts, lol.
UVA fans were going nuts, lol.
GR8 2 B FL G8R
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Some cuban lady I used to work with bought orange bowl seats for her yard
Yes they sold everything in the OB, even the urinals
Yes they sold everything in the OB, even the urinals
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I could never find cabs around there after games. Never figured out a good system.
One cabby that I met after a game was a Jets fan and wanted to know if we were Dolphins fans. We weren't. He went on talk about how he and his buddies would go to Jets/Dolphins games and try to start fights. Savage lout.
One cabby that I met after a game was a Jets fan and wanted to know if we were Dolphins fans. We weren't. He went on talk about how he and his buddies would go to Jets/Dolphins games and try to start fights. Savage lout.
GuyIncognito
pressure cooker full of skittles
lol, Randal Hill is running for Congress in Florida and some folks in Texas still mad.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...ed-UT-now-running-6837386.php?cmpid=fb-mobile
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...ed-UT-now-running-6837386.php?cmpid=fb-mobile