Larry Fitzgerald
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What the fuck, Atlanta? That neon snot shit is terrible. If the Seahawks want to wear colors of a road crew, let them.
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2014/15 NBA Thread pelican and okc bitches
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Okay, cool, so you understand he did a great job with the talent he had.
NML
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I have no clue where Stevens ranks in the NBA - but he's a great coach who, above all else, can and has developed young talent. But I don't think that was ever in question coming out of Butler. He seems to be a really solid X's and O's guy for it only being his second season in the pros. Other than Pop, I personally wouldn't trade it him for any coach.
@evil1 just projecting because he didn't get to get swept too.
Going back to some comments on Love, I agree that if he truly is putting winning above all else, he will/should stay with Cleveland.
But while every player will say they want to win, he may want to win, but also be the top guy. There's certainly the structure in place for Boston to compete - between Ainge, Stevens, cap flexibility, and horde of picks. They will almost definitely be a top 4 seed in the playoffs next season if this all happens, and could add another max guy the following year too. It's an easy pitch to make to someone. If your Love and you want to be a top guy but still compete, I'm not sure what your other options are. Portland is the only that comes to mind - but if Aldridge is leaving, that's not a great selling point.
I expect that if Love resigns or goes to LA, Aldridge would be the next phone call for Ainge. They really need to get a piece this offseason. Jimmy Buckets is also an acceptable answer.
@evil1 just projecting because he didn't get to get swept too.
Going back to some comments on Love, I agree that if he truly is putting winning above all else, he will/should stay with Cleveland.
But while every player will say they want to win, he may want to win, but also be the top guy. There's certainly the structure in place for Boston to compete - between Ainge, Stevens, cap flexibility, and horde of picks. They will almost definitely be a top 4 seed in the playoffs next season if this all happens, and could add another max guy the following year too. It's an easy pitch to make to someone. If your Love and you want to be a top guy but still compete, I'm not sure what your other options are. Portland is the only that comes to mind - but if Aldridge is leaving, that's not a great selling point.
I expect that if Love resigns or goes to LA, Aldridge would be the next phone call for Ainge. They really need to get a piece this offseason. Jimmy Buckets is also an acceptable answer.
silverwheels
PLAY LA BAMBA BABY
I think Lamb got kind of a raw deal from Brooks. He'd get some playing time, show inconsistency but also some improvement the more he got to play, and then OKC would sign some old ass free agent like Caron Butler and Lamb stopped seeing the court. Maybe he really isn't that good, but I don't think he was given enough of a chance for us to know for sure. Oh well. In any case, he prolly shouldn't have left RUSS hanging.
LOLing so hard
LOLing so hard
NML
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The other rumor is that if Okafor falls to Philly at 3, Celtics are going to offer them a "monster package."
Makes sense, C's need a center and Philly definitely doesn't, though I could totally see them taking him anyways.
I don't know much about Okafor (or any college player), but what I've read is that he's an elite low post scorer, and that's it. Celtics don't push the tempo, so he fits in that aspect. Not crazy that he's 6'11" 270 and can't defend the rim.
I'm guessing the offer is 16, 28, one of the Nets picks, Smart and something else. James Young maybe?
Makes sense, C's need a center and Philly definitely doesn't, though I could totally see them taking him anyways.
I don't know much about Okafor (or any college player), but what I've read is that he's an elite low post scorer, and that's it. Celtics don't push the tempo, so he fits in that aspect. Not crazy that he's 6'11" 270 and can't defend the rim.
I'm guessing the offer is 16, 28, one of the Nets picks, Smart and something else. James Young maybe?
evil1
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I don't think the Celtics have enough good assets to make a Godfather offer worth the #3 pick.
Comparatively speaking, the 16th and 28th picks simply aren't worth very much. More than likely, those picks will not result in a starting caliber player. For comparison, the 16th and 28th picks in the last three drafts have resulted in Jusif Nurkic, CJ Wilcox, Lucus Nogueira, Livio JeanCharles, Royce White and Perry Jones. I wouldn't trade all of them combined for Okafor.
Boston also has Brooklyn's and Dallas's pick next year, but both of those picks also project to be in the 16-25 range. So Boston's offer is essentially going to be a bunch of borderline starters/good bench players for the #3 pick (Okafor or Russell).
Comparatively speaking, the 16th and 28th picks simply aren't worth very much. More than likely, those picks will not result in a starting caliber player. For comparison, the 16th and 28th picks in the last three drafts have resulted in Jusif Nurkic, CJ Wilcox, Lucus Nogueira, Livio JeanCharles, Royce White and Perry Jones. I wouldn't trade all of them combined for Okafor.
Boston also has Brooklyn's and Dallas's pick next year, but both of those picks also project to be in the 16-25 range. So Boston's offer is essentially going to be a bunch of borderline starters/good bench players for the #3 pick (Okafor or Russell).
sayo
YEET
If Smart is on the table like the rumors suggest...
Wuf
Desensitized and Willing
Well I'm not convinced that Henderson and Vonleh for Batum was a good trade. Vonleh hasn't done shit yet but I feel like Henderson and Batum are about even and the Vonleh pick was based on potential anyway, so it's disappointing not to see that through a little bit.
I think Lamb has potential but looks like we're just switching around wing players for the fuck of it to me. Hornets need more explosive scorers and a mainstay at power forward. Not convinced these trades are going to help that.
Good enough maybe to be competitive in the east which means pretty much dick
I think Lamb has potential but looks like we're just switching around wing players for the fuck of it to me. Hornets need more explosive scorers and a mainstay at power forward. Not convinced these trades are going to help that.
Good enough maybe to be competitive in the east which means pretty much dick
evil1
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I think what the Hornets did is a small upgrade.
From what I can follow, they essentially traded:
Lance Stephenson (who totally didn't work in Charlotte) + Henderson + Vonleh
for
Batum (who I like a lot) + Lamb + Spencer Hawes
When all is said and done, I think Charlotte slightly improved their roster. Richard Cho (formerly of Portland and OKC) has been running the front office for the last few seasons and he seems to specialize in solid but non-splashy moves.
From what I can follow, they essentially traded:
Lance Stephenson (who totally didn't work in Charlotte) + Henderson + Vonleh
for
Batum (who I like a lot) + Lamb + Spencer Hawes
When all is said and done, I think Charlotte slightly improved their roster. Richard Cho (formerly of Portland and OKC) has been running the front office for the last few seasons and he seems to specialize in solid but non-splashy moves.
NML
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If the Nets pick is 25th overall, I'll eat my own poop. That's ridiculous. The only thing they have going for them is that they are in the east. They are just getting older and were the 8 seed this year. It's likely a lottery pick.
Smart was 6th overall last year.
So a 6th, 16th, 18th and a lottery pick next season for 3rd overall. That's pretty fair.
It just depends on how they rate the middle part of the class this season and Smart vs whoever they have at the top of their board.
I really like Smart, even if he's a fairly limited player. He could be a first team all defense kind of defender if he gets more consistent. He's comfortable with the ball in his hands, he's just very limited in how he can score.
Again, don't know enough about Okafor to say what kind of player he'll be. The comparison I hear is Al Jefferson - if that's true, I like the deal for the C's.
evil1
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To clarify, Brooklyn will probably be around pick 15 or 16 (how many in the East are honestly going to leapfrog them?) but I expect Dallas (Boston has Dallas's pick) to be around picks 20-25.
Marcus Smart was indeed the #6 pick last year but he proceeded to have a fairly disappointing rookie year (7.8 pts and 3.1 assists per game). While it is way too early to pass judgement on Smart, he certainly did not look like a future all-star caliber player.
So Boston's deal is still the same as I outlined: a bunch of borderline starters and mid-round picks (who likely project to be borderline starters if you are lucky) for Okafor. Of course you would like the deal for the Celtics. It is a great deal for the Celtics and a garbage deal for the 76ers.
But let's not take my word for it, let's get the opinion of Philly fans.
Marcus Smart was indeed the #6 pick last year but he proceeded to have a fairly disappointing rookie year (7.8 pts and 3.1 assists per game). While it is way too early to pass judgement on Smart, he certainly did not look like a future all-star caliber player.
So Boston's deal is still the same as I outlined: a bunch of borderline starters and mid-round picks (who likely project to be borderline starters if you are lucky) for Okafor. Of course you would like the deal for the Celtics. It is a great deal for the Celtics and a garbage deal for the 76ers.
But let's not take my word for it, let's get the opinion of Philly fans.
goblue96
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PSUEagle
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The only way Ainge is coming anywhere close to getting #3 is by including every future Brooklyn pick in addition to Smart and #16+#28. Either that, or a three way where Philly gets another Top 10 pick (Charlotte? Denver?) in addition to other Boston goodies.
I think this Russell to the Lakers talk is a smokescreen, though. Okafor will go second, Russell third, and then the fun begins with the Knicks on the clock.
I think this Russell to the Lakers talk is a smokescreen, though. Okafor will go second, Russell third, and then the fun begins with the Knicks on the clock.
kingssc
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goblue96
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Hoping the fun involves Frank Kaminsky at #4.
@Heisman06
Lay out the series of moves riley will make to cost me thousands in finals tickets next year and result a parade down biscayne blvd.
Lay out the series of moves riley will make to cost me thousands in finals tickets next year and result a parade down biscayne blvd.
dirt
Trolltalitarian
help me remember when u moved there...
Heisman06
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Another team relocates to Miami?
Seems to be the easiest route. I like it.
dirt
Trolltalitarian
how long u been on the dl?
NML
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No chance. Even if that deal is happening, it won't be until #9 rolls around and the guy they want is available. But the deal itself is silly - no one at 9 is as good as Sully, let alone worth Sully and the 16th pick.
Also, Sully just tweeted lol-ing about it.
Heisman06
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Realistically, you gotta think Miami figures it out with Wade and then re-signs Dragic. As bad as this sounds, we need Deng to opt-in unless Wade/Dragic both leave.
Miami doesn't save any money from Deng leaving to use on quality players unless erry'one leaves. If that happens, you cry, you pray that Deng leaves and just start the hell over.
If this happens, we're looking at
Dragic/Chalmers/Napier
Wade/Tyler Johnson
Deng/James Ennis
Bosh/McRoberts/Haslem
Whiteside/BirdmaN
That looks pretty good on paper. That's not winning a championship doe. The dream scenario is Riley unloads some combination of Rio/McRoberts/Birdman without giving up #10 tonight to free up cap space and to sign Wade.
evil1
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I think the Lakerzzzz are seriously considering Russell at #2. Maybe they still lean towards Okafor but it is close.
I wouldn't be surprised if they draft Russell and then offer a trade to Philly. In other words, the errrzzzz preferences could be: Okafor + 2016 mid round draft pick > Russell > Okafor
I wouldn't be surprised if they draft Russell and then offer a trade to Philly. In other words, the errrzzzz preferences could be: Okafor + 2016 mid round draft pick > Russell > Okafor
PSUEagle
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I think Hinkie would tell Kupchak to get bent: the Lakers aren't getting their pick back.
goblue96
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Errz let other teams draft centers and then get them via trade or free agency.
Wilt Chamberlain-Roger Murdoch-Shaq-Dwight Howard-Anthony Davis is next in line.