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I'm sure they were trying to appease leclerc since they basically fucked him over. But that request was nonsense. Back off of the driver with 20+ lap old hard compound tires while you're on your brand new softs and everyone behind you has brand new softs? Had Carlos listened, its possible neither of them finish on the podium today.
vertigho
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As for the race itself, Leclerc deserved better (and has all season). He was turning fastest laps on 20+ lap old hard tires with a broken front-wing (in a downforce needy car); that was truly a remarkably impressive drive from Leclerc. Who knows what his pace would've been with an intact front-wing. Ferrari managed to fuck up his race, again. Unless Lewis had found mega-pace over the last 8-10 laps, that was going to finish as follows without the safety car: 1. Leclerc, 2. Hamilton, 3. Sainz (maybe Checo if Sainz had lost pace).
I hope for Leclerc's sake he manages to get a car that lasts to the end of the race -and- coherent team strategy, because he deserves both, and if he had both to this point in the season, he's likely leading the WDC (Spain, Monaco, Baku, Montreal, and now Silverstone). Spain, Monaco, and Silverstone were in the bag for P1 without the mechanical/tactical errors. Baku, we can't know, but it would've been interesting to see how that race played out. Montreal should've been an easy top-3 if not for the grid penalty (which was fallout from Spain/Baku).
With the exception of Imola, Leclerc's been as good as any driver on the grid. Verstappen, Leclerc, Lewis, and likely Russell are in a class of their own. Sainz and Checo are also very good (possibly a result of the car they drive) but I don't think they're quite in the same class as those first four. This is definitely a golden-age for F1 talent. Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell are young and will likely be racing for 5+ years barring injury. Even if Hamilton was to retire soon (which I'm not sure will happen), we still have at least three (likely four) insanely talented drivers in fast cars duking it out. Awesome stuff.
I hope for Leclerc's sake he manages to get a car that lasts to the end of the race -and- coherent team strategy, because he deserves both, and if he had both to this point in the season, he's likely leading the WDC (Spain, Monaco, Baku, Montreal, and now Silverstone). Spain, Monaco, and Silverstone were in the bag for P1 without the mechanical/tactical errors. Baku, we can't know, but it would've been interesting to see how that race played out. Montreal should've been an easy top-3 if not for the grid penalty (which was fallout from Spain/Baku).
With the exception of Imola, Leclerc's been as good as any driver on the grid. Verstappen, Leclerc, Lewis, and likely Russell are in a class of their own. Sainz and Checo are also very good (possibly a result of the car they drive) but I don't think they're quite in the same class as those first four. This is definitely a golden-age for F1 talent. Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell are young and will likely be racing for 5+ years barring injury. Even if Hamilton was to retire soon (which I'm not sure will happen), we still have at least three (likely four) insanely talented drivers in fast cars duking it out. Awesome stuff.
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Well we saw what happens when they don't
vertigho
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Sounds like it might've been bad luck. Apparently he told race personnel to not tow his car ... but they did. AFAIK if Russell had got back into the car after checking on Zhou and limped it back to the pits, he would've been able to continue.
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vertigho
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Id be the same way. He was driving away with the race. Even hamilton on, what, 10-15 lap fresher tires, was not making a dent into his lead. And they completely leave him out to dry. I'm happy for Carlos...but Ferrari has fucked Leclerc over so much this year...its a bit ridiculous.
vertigho
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I remember checking with 16 laps remaining what the differential Hamilton needed to pull back per lap was, and it was 0.375 (16 laps remaining, Charles had a 6s gap at that point). Leclerc and Hamilton started trading fastest laps in the mid-to-low 1:31s. Hamilton was better at times, but not by more than a tenth per lap. And as you said, Charles was doing it with older tires and a broken wing.
I still want to know what circumstances differentiate a regular SC from a VSC. Similar to Hamilton in Abu Dhabi, the deserving winner (within that particular race) has their hard work wiped out through what essentially amounts to bad luck / someone else's mistake. Can they not just have these guys drive with speed limiters, required to hold a particular delta to the car in front, tell the drivers to exercise extreme caution in the part of the track where the incident occurred, and then resume the race when the field all has their intervals roughly correct (as they do for a VSC)?
hayvis
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Everybody saw the van with a jet engine. Not hard to produce 50mph gusts/
Mercedes’ social media manager is really good. I’ve taken notice before at the stuff they do and enjoy it
vertigho
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The website is in Italian so I'm not clear on the technicals, and there are many graphs displayed, but this seems to be a basic representation of where each team/car is the fastest at RBR (among the big-3).
www.funoanalisitecnica.com
F1 - Gp Austria 2022/ Qualifiche Data Analysis: Ferrari primeggia in trazione e frenata. Red Bull reupera sul dritto | Formula Uno Analisi Tecnica
Formula 1 | Formula 1 - In in qualifica di F1, i team utilizzano la mappatura più spinta compatibile con l’affidabilità: la principale variabile che incide
www.funoanalisitecnica.com
hayvis
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That map is kind of pointless when most concensus is that the merc was second fastest if they hadn't crashed. Fast enough Mercs pushing from behind 
are going to make this race fun if they don't crash again.
Gonna come out and say it - if Merc make their usual jump from quali to race pace they are going to have the fastest car. This was by a country mile the fastest quali car they have had.
are going to make this race fun if they don't crash again. Gonna come out and say it - if Merc make their usual jump from quali to race pace they are going to have the fastest car. This was by a country mile the fastest quali car they have had.
hayvis
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Yes. It's not just social media though. It's the character of the team. Hell would freeze over berfore we ever saw a sense of humour coming out of Red Bull.
vertigho
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That map is kind of pointless when most concensus is that the merc was second fastest if they hadn't crashed. Fast enough Mercs pushing from behind
Gonna come out and say it - if Merc make their usual jump from quali to race pace they are going to have the fastest car. This was by a country mile the fastest quali car they have had.
I don't think the map is pointless; it's a representation of the data based on the laps the drivers did. We're also talking fractions of seconds here over an entire lap, let alone within mini-sectors. It just shows where each driver had the most pace on the track on the officially timed laps they did.
Could Merc have been better represented if their drivers had stuck their flying laps? Yeah. Is it possible their sprint/race pace is better than what they showed in qualifying/what is in that map (assuming they keep the car on-track)? Yeah.
That doesn't make the map pointless, though, imo. I just thought it was interesting information.
hayvis
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Yes it's interesting and didn't mean to be dismissive. However there are a hell of a lot of confounding factors in trying to extrapolate race pace from qualifying - particularly this year. Added to the fact that imo the Merc info was completley impossible due to crashing, the Ferraris have also gone completely the other way to Merc and Redbull in race pace. I think it would have been far more interesting had they tried to analise the long runs in practice (have they done this?). As it stands the graphic tells us nothing of how the race will go.
IIRC whem HAM crashed his engineer (NOT BONO) said he was on pace for Q2/Q3 at that point. Now obviously 3 times were set on the last lap that beat the Q1 at that point so who knows but that Merc was fast as hell. I really hope Merc is back mostly for Lewis' sake.