Penn State Thread

[Southpaw]

The trial is going to be in mid August right before the season kicks off and Franklin is going to be subpoenaed and under oath facing perjury charges if he lies. Like I said, popcorn is ready. The rumors that he was involved have been out there since the story originally broke. Those rumors are out there because the players charged leaked it and they know he was involved. Franklin is fucked imo.

 

[Chase]

I'm sure Penn State and their lawyers are more aware of the situation and facts than Jim Bob on a UT message board. If I read the article correctly, the DA cleared him of any charges or wrongdoing. Also, a pretty important distinction to be accused by the defendants and not the victim.

 

[Southpaw]

It's not coming from Jim Bob on a UT message board, chief. It's coming from the accused lawyers. There is going to be a new DA after the election on May 6th. The guy who is going to win is named Glenn Funk and is a prominent criminal attorney here in town. What better way to start off his career than nailing the corch that all Vandy fans hate.

 

[Chase]

Even the SEC's trog god Clay Travis is calling this an 'accused rapist defense lawyer Hail Mary' but you think Franklin is fucked? Weird. The story doesn't accuse him of anything. Perception is everything doe and I'm sure it has the SEC trog message boards fired up.

 

[Southpaw]

Clay Travis love Franklin, dude. Loves him. I mean I know you aren't from here, but that is obvious if you ever heard him on the radio. I think he's fucked because the story is easily proven or disproven. Ask the victim in sworn testimony if Franklin contacted her. It's not like its some big convoluted conspiracy that's impossible to prove. It can be proven with about 2 or 3 questions. It accuses him of contacting the victim of a rape perpetrated by his players and then offering her some sort of weird whore type hostess position. I'd say that is a pretty big accusation.

 

[usnfish]

Penn State fans bury head in the sand about rape. This isn't a line anyone should have to type more than once.

 

[Wooly]

Penn State fans bury head in the sand about rape. This isn't a line anyone should have to type more than once.

 

[Wooly]

Should stick away with reading ESPN articles. Penn State has nothing to do with it. Some donor is raising $300K to build some statute of Paterno sitting on a bench eating ice cream on College Ave downtown. To fuck with the Paterno trogs I asked if he was going to be 'looking the other way' and people came out of the woodwork with death threats.

Awesome!

 

[Lightningwar]

I will have to laugh if Franklin really did something like this.

 

[whiteyc_77]

I know I can count on @Southpaw, @usnfish and @Packfan to keep me updated on the latest. Thanks for the heads up guys!

Let me know when there's more breaking news, mmmkay?

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

 

[Southpaw]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1150225/vandenburg-filing-4-29-14.pdf

 

[whiteyc_77]

TL;DR

Can you give me the Cliff Notes on what gave you wood in the report? I don't want to be misinformed! Thanks!

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

Read page 7.

 

[whiteyc_77]

-YTC

 

[Skeeter]

PSU sure loves their rape. They hired someone away from FSU too right after the Jameis rape thing broke.

Who makes hiring decisions out there? Jeebus.

 

[whiteyc_77]

Sweet. Now @Skeeter has weighed in with his hot take.

Who else are we missing?

-YTC

 

[Packfan]

Just about every American that doesn't have ties or fandom with Happy Valley. I saw Uncle Jerry's wife was complaining about the abuse her family is taking and how they are the victims. Maybe we can talk about how she should be in jail as well. Any DAs go missing recently

 

[whiteyc_77]

I have no idea. Make sure that you guys keep us updated with the latest in the news, like Uncle Jerry's wife, DA's going missing, etc...

Again, we don't want to miss anything. So you and the superfriends please keep us informed with up to date info.

-YTC

 

[Packfan]

I am sure Steve Alford will be hired anytime now.

 

[Southpaw]

Deputy DA says he acted "appropriately", but confirms that Franklin did in fact contact the victim of the rape 4 days after the rape occurred. Not sure how the hell he can call that appropriately. Seems like maybe he should have said legally, but I don't see any way in hell I would ever call that appropriately.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/spo.../2014/05/01/david-climer-da-franklin/8568993/

Reporter Southpaw reporting live from Nashville, TN signing off for now. Stay with us for all breaking news regarding further Penn State rape events.

 

[DeadMan]

What if at trial, the victim comes out and testifies that Franklin told her not to pursue rape charges? That story says the only people who know what was said during that conversation are Franklin and the victim. (Sidebar: I really hope, for the prosecutor's sake, that was a misstatement. Otherwise, he is a terrible lawyer.) So what if the victim gives some bombshell account of that conversation?

Franklin looks like a great on the field hire, but Penn State better hope this doesn't blow up in their faces.

 

[Mr. Tennessee]

Dueling Banjos being played in my mind with current posts from @Chase and @Southpaw

 

[Wooly]

My vote for best used gif this year.

 

[kella]

Jameis Winston

 

[Wooly]

Jameis Winston

Link me

 

[kella]

 

[whiteyc_77]

Great, now Firefox isn't even letting me quote posts. Brokedick internet user here.

So, I actually read that article! Thanks for the heads up. Some Cliff Notes:

• While only Franklin and the woman know the nature of the conversation, Thurman said he believed it "was a nice thing to do," given the circumstances. Thurman said any suggestion that Franklin had attempted to influence the alleged victim or had interfered with the investigation was incorrect.
• "It was not inappropriate contact," Thurman said.
• Thurman said he was under the impression Franklin knew the woman because she had either worked at the Commodores football office or had spent some time there. He said he believed Franklin was just being supportive.
• Asked if Franklin might be called as a witness if the case goes to trial, Thurman said:
  "Not for us. He has nothing to add to the prosecution's case. I can't speak to what the defense might do."

Sounds like Franklin is screwed. Hopefully, PSU won't get the death penalty this time around.

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

It must be something about being a Penn State fan that makes you tone deaf in regards to sex crimes. How could you call a football corch going to talk a girl that was raped by his players appropriate? Especially when the only reason he knew the girl was because he pimped her out to football players in the first place?

If it was such a nice thing to do, and nothing was inappropriate about it, why didn't Franklin just admit that he had done it back 4 or 5 months ago when rumors were swirling that he had contacted her?

 

[whiteyc_77]

I didn't call it appropriate. The Deputy DA who is prosecuting the crimes that were allegedly perpetrated here is calling it appropriate.

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

Unless she testifies that he tried to coerce her, nothing is going to come of this legally. It's mostly just more bad PR for Penn State being tangentially involved in more rapey stuff. He will be subpoenaed to trial in August, though. The only other thing to look out for is when the new DA takes office. He or she might have a different take on this case.

 

[whiteyc_77]

Yes, stupid people will see headlines and make assumptions. I guess that's where the bad PR will come from.

I know there are people who get their rocks off on anything "tangentially involved with rapey stuff" especially when it comes to PSU. I would expect those idiots to continue pulling things out of the air and utilizing their jump to conclusions mat.

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

It's more about the stupid people at Penn State not being able to see outside their bubble.

A school coming off the worst sex crime scandal in sports history knowingly hired a corch who they knew could end up being called to testify in a rape case or could end up possibly even being charged. Most schools would have said thanks, but no thanks to that. We want to keep as far away from any rape stuff for now, but not Penn State. They love them some rape.

 

[whiteyc_77]

I know, right? It's crazy. They must all be a bunch of morans and love rape. That seems to be much more plausible than "we fully vetted out the process" and "Franklin did nothing wrong." I'm sure this has completely blindsided the administration.

-YTC

 

[Yankee151]

This is like Ali vs. Frazier, two titans of urtopia squaring off

 

[Southpaw]

Hahah he did nothing wrong? He recruited a girl to "entertain" football players on recruiting visits who then ended up getting gang raped by his football players and then he went to see her 4 days after the gang rape and then lied by omission about going to see her.

The "did nothing wrong" thing is I think where the disconnect lies. Penn State sees nothing wrong with that when every other person on earth does. It's pretty much how the only people who ever defended Penn State during the Sandusky case were Penn State fans. The only people who saw nothing wrong with hiring Franklin in the first place were Penn State fans.

 

[bruin228]

 

[whiteyc_77]

Just so we're clear, the statement "Franklin did nothing wrong" didn't come from Penn State. It came from Tom Thurman, Deputy District Attorney.

I'm pretty sure he's another person on Earth. Could be wrong, doe. Could you produce another story to show that Tom Thurman is not from Earth or that he is Penn State? Then your statement may make some sense.

Thank you in advance for producing said article.

-YTC

 

[goblue96]

 

[Southpaw]

So the Penn State administration does or doesn't think Franklin did anything wrong? They "fully vetted" him so they must have known exactly what he did. Did they think nothing was wrong with it because they have no understanding of how that would be perceived and therefore hire him or did they think it was wrong and hire him anyway because they are clearly stupid as all shit as they proved during the entire Sandusky ordeal?

 

[whiteyc_77]

I have no idea. I have no clue what the administration does or doesn't think.

I do know what the Deputy District Attorney, Tom Thurman, thinks. You know, that guy who is prosecuting those accused of wrongdoing?

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

How about you, what do you think? Do you think what Franklin did was appropriate and did you see nothing wrong with hiring him in the first place?

I know your last strand to cling to is that statement by the DA, but I have already stated that most likely nothing would come of this legally. The sad fact that it is still possible and the fact that Penn State has their coach involved in the news with rape again is my whole issue with it. How is the Penn State administration that retarded to even put themselves in this position? Maybe Penn State can hire Thurman to be their special investigator the next time they rape kids in the locker room?

 

[DeadMan]

I have no idea. I have no clue what the administration does or doesn't think.

I do know what the Deputy District Attorney, Tom Thurman, thinks. You know, that guy who is prosecuting those accused of wrongdoing?

-YTC

This is why you can't trust Thurman. He's clearly an idiot:

"While only Franklin and the woman know the nature of the conversation, Thurman said he believed it "was a nice thing to do," given the circumstances. Thurman said any suggestion that Franklin had attempted to influence the alleged victim or had interfered with the investigation was incorrect."

Like I said before, if Thurman doesn't know exactly what was said in that conversation, then he's a fucking awful lawyer. And an even worse prosecutor. I mean not knowing the basic facts of that conversation is absolutely ridiculous. You cannot go to trial not knowing what was said there. It's unfathomable.

 

[goblue96]

 

[whiteyc_77]

What I think is that we are in agreement. Most likely nothing will come of this legally.

Like I said before, they must all be a bunch of morans who love rape, or there is a more plausible explanation. But we can go with rape-loving morans for now. That's much more fun.

-YTC

 

[whiteyc_77]

Where in the article does it have a quote from Thurman saying that "only Franklin and the woman know the nature of the conversation"?

-YTC

 

[Southpaw]

Thanks for not answering my question about your opinion!

Thurman is a Vols fan. That explains everything.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...tunate-quip-about-vanderbilt-rape-case-110513

 

[DeadMan]

Where in the article does it have a quote from Thurman saying that "only Franklin and the woman know the nature of the conversation"?

-YTC

That's the 5th paragraph.

 

[Southpaw]

What I think is that we are in agreement. Most likely nothing will come of this legally.

Like I said before, they must all be a bunch of morans who love rape, or there is a more plausible explanation. But we can go with rape-loving morans for now. That's much more fun.

-YTC

Actually it is more fun to call them that, but what they really are is a bunch of morons who love football way too much and don't care about rape or molesting kids because of it.

 

[whiteyc_77]

@DeadMan It says no such thing. And you know it.

Honest question: How would the Deputy DA, Tom Thurman, be able to say:

"any suggestion that Franklin had attempted to influence the alleged victim or had interfered with the investigation was incorrect." "It was not inappropriate contact."

if he did not know the nature of the conversation held between Franklin and the victim?

-YTC