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2014 NFL: ALL HAIL THE ACID SHARKS

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Justin Houston is a difference maker. When he went down late in the 2nd quarter v SD, the season changed. Chiefs were up 14-3 at the time, were 9-1, then Houston goes out and he best pash rush in the NFL went to shit. Never recovered.

There is talk of extending Alex Smith. I say just let him play out his last year on contract, but probably won't happen.

Safety is the biggest need. I like 5th rounder Sanders Commings out of Georgia, but he's unknown. Kendrick Lewis really degressed and he won't be back. I said it earlier in this thread, if Clinton-Dix is there at #23, I'd pop a woody if KC got him.

A.J. Jenkins might be guy at the #2 WR spot. Came on late. Hopefully something clicked.

Derrick Johnson gets better with age. What a baller.
 
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I'd say it's too early to say Datone Jones is a bum.
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Not early enough in my opinion, the Packers had all kinds of injuries in the front 7 last year and he couldn't get on the field. He was losing playing time to undrafted free agents and 5th round picks. He seemed to make impacts in the Washington, Philadelphia and Chicago games early in the season, then he either hit the wall or was overwhelmed.

I will give he wasn't drafted into the right system, he probably should have been on a 4/3 team. It was just frustrating that they had no linebackers or edge rushers once CM3 went down. Week 17's must win game without LB's Mike Neal, Brad Jones and Matthews he could only manage 2 snaps.

Datone Jones, the rookie first-round draft pick, has all but disappeared from defensive coordinator Dom Capers’ plans. He has played just 21 snaps in the last three games combined
 
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Here is his breakdown on D Jones season

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R2D2

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Regarding the Eagles, Patrick Chung fucking sucks. His little icon should be as red as the Chiefs' helmet.
 
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As part of the same announcement, CBS said Dan Marino and Shannon Sharpe will no longer appear on The NFL Today. The new cast of the show will be James Brown, Bill Cowher, Boomer Esiason and Gonzalez.
 
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bruin said:
Re: KC

Justin Houston is a difference maker. When he went down late in the 2nd quarter v SD, the season changed. Chiefs were up 14-3 at the time, were 9-1, then Houston goes out and he best pash rush in the NFL went to shit. Never recovered.

There is talk of extending Alex Smith. I say just let him play out his last year on contract, but probably won't happen.

Safety is the biggest need. I like 5th rounder Sanders Commings out of Georgia, but he's unknown. Kendrick Lewis really degressed and he won't be back. I said it earlier in this thread, if Clinton-Dix is there at #23, I'd pop a woody if KC got him.

A.J. Jenkins might be guy at the #2 WR spot. Came on late. Hopefully something clicked.

Derrick Johnson gets better with age. What a baller.
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I definitely agree on Jenkins. Though, as a Mizzou fan, I watched the entire San Diego Week 17 game with a gigantic boner due to Chase Daniel, I was really impressed with him. That being said, I really would like it if the Chiefs picked up Maclin in FA. Might be biased here again, but outside of Marquise Lee I don't want any part of the receivers that'll likely be available when the Chiefs pick. Like you, I'd love to see Dix, but he'll probably be gone. I'd be cool with Zach Martin or Kouandjio.
 
bruin

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dhr8248 said:
I definitely agree on Jenkins. Though, as a Mizzou fan, I watched the entire San Diego Week 17 game with a gigantic boner due to Chase Daniel, I was really impressed with him. That being said, I really would like it if the Chiefs picked up Maclin in FA. Might be biased here again, but outside of Marquise Lee I don't want any part of the receivers that'll likely be available when the Chiefs pick. Like you, I'd love to see Dix, but he'll probably be gone. I'd be cool with Zach Martin or Kouandjio.
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I'd love Maclin too. I just don't see the $$ being there. Agree on Marqise Lee. I also like Brandin Cooks out of Oregon State. Could be a reach in the 1st round, but so was Keenan Allen and he fell to the 3rd, where we ended up with Travis Kelce.
 
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1. Randy Starks
2013 Grade: +28.8
2013 Snaps: 742
Summary: What makes 30-year-old Randy Starks our No. 1 free agent on the interior? One word: consistency. He’s graded outside the Top 10 for 3-4 ends/4-3 tackles just once (2012) in our six years of grading. Whether it be run or pass, Starks has the ability to consistently alter play after play. This past season he made a stop on 10.2% of the running plays that he was on the field. That number was sixth best among defensive tackles. He also had a Pass Rushing Productivity of 7.9, good enough for 10th-best for tackles. He’s the type of talent that you can put in any scheme and almost any position and not have to worry about his production.
Last season he received the franchise tag from the Dolphins for $8.45M. At 30 years old he should be able to score one last large contract as long as he’s not franchised again. The top five contracts for defensive tackles on a per-year basis are the following: Ndamukong Suh ($12.9M), Gerald McCoy ($11M), Geno Atkins ($10.7M), Ahtyba Rubin ($8.8M), and Vince Wilfork ($8M). With as steady as Starks has been, I would guess he’ll get somewhere between Wilfork and Atkins, although four years seems like the max length. If he gets a contract in the range of Desmond Bryant’s five-year, $34M deal he signed last offseason, someone is getting a steal.
2. Jason Hatcher
2013 Grade: +27.3
2013 Snaps: 773
Summary: Hatcher has had one of the more curious career paths of any player in the league today. For the first six years of his career he wasn’t much more than a part time player. Our data only goes back to 2008, but we have 2011 as the first time he played more than 50% of the snaps in a season and even then it was 50.4%. The thing is, Hatcher was playing good football all those years in a limited role. His grades and snaps from 2008-2011 are the following: +1.6 on 329 snaps, +2.4 on 391 snaps, +6.4 on 258 snaps, +9.3 on 428 snaps.
It really wasn’t until the 2012 season, at the age of 30, that Hatcher’s career really took off. That year he played 784 snaps, was sixth among 3-4 ends in Run Stop Percentage (8.2) and fifth in Pass Rushing Productivity (7.7). Last season he made the switch from the 3-4 end to the 4-3 tackle (3-tech) and his pass rushing numbers predictably soared. Hatcher had 11 sacks and the fourth-highest pass rushing grade among defensive tackles at +26.9. The biggest knock on Hatcher right now is his age. He’ll be 32 by the start of next season and the odds of him staying this effective for three more seasons are slim, although he has far fewer career snaps at his age than most. The biggest plus is his scheme versatility, having excelled in both 3-4 and 4-3. Hatcher may come away with the highest per year salary of this group due to his pass rushing ability, but I wouldn’t expect too many years.
3. Henry Melton
2013 Grade: -6.4
2013 Snaps: 125
Summary: Henry Melton is one year removed from production similar to Jason Hatcher. In 2012 Melton was first among defensive tackles in Run Stop Percentage (11.6) and fifth in Pass Rushing Productivity (7.7). That one year period between could not have gone any worse than it did though. It started with Melton getting franchise tagged when he could have easily broken the bank. He then started the season playing downright awful football. The Bears’ defensive tackle managed a paltry two pressures in 72 pass rushing snaps for a pass rushing productivity of 2.1. He also had the league’s worst run defense grade at -4.8 before he tore his ACL in week three against Pittsburgh. To top it all off Melton got arrested in December for public intoxication and assault.
Depending on how confident Melton is in his ability to return from his injury, he could be a solid candidate for a one year ‘prove it’ contract. Another season like 2012 could land him one of the top contracts at the position. At just 27 years old, he has quite a few years ahead of him and could get a six-year deal if fully healthy. Teams are always willing to throw cash at pass rushers though and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone takes a chance and gives Melton a sizable deal hoping he regains form.
4. Linval Joseph
2013 Grade: +9.9
2013 Snaps: 596
Summary: Joseph comes in at number four on this list after three straight rock solid seasons with the Giants. His overall grades since 2011 have been +6.6, +6.3, and +6.9 while playing around 60% of the snaps over that time period. That kind of production is undeniably intriguing out of a player that is just 25 years old. He has already proven the ability perform above average against both the run and the pass for a full season and teams will be banging down his door to see what he can do next. He finished last season with a Pass Rushing Productivity of 6.1 and a Run Stop Percentage of 8.0. Both were good enough for 17th among defensive tackles.
This past season Joseph played 88% of his snaps a left defensive tackle in the Giants’ scheme. At 6-foot-4 and 328-pounds he’ll likely translate to a 1-technique for most 4-3 teams and with his size could probably play anywhere on a 3-4 front. Just like Desmond Bryant last season, I’m guessing Joseph lands himself a fairly large contract because of his youth. It’s difficult to find players that you know will be good for the next five years and it appears that Joseph will be one of those.
5. Arthur Jones
2012 Grade: +15.7
2012 Snaps: 529
Summary: The last two seasons Arthur Jones has come from nowhere to make a name for himself as a tremendous run defender with adequate pass rushing skills. In Jones’ first two seasons he played a total of 290 snaps. Then in 2012 he started getting more meaningful playing time and didn’t disappoint. From Week 12 through the Super Bowl that season, he amassed a grade of +10.6 while playing in 51% of the snaps. This season he saw a slight bump up to 55% of the possible snaps, but continued the solid play with a run defense grade of +12.9 and a pass rushing grade of +1.9.
Jones is still young at 28 years old and so far he’s only gotten better with every opportunity that has presented itself. He doesn’t get many snaps in obvious passing situations, but it’s impressive that he was at least above average playing mostly run downs where it’s harder to get pressure. At 6-foot-3, 305-pounds he could likely play in either a 3-4 or a 4-3. Choosing between him and Linval Joseph seems like a coinflip in my book. Joseph may be younger and more proven, but Jones’ talent and production on a per play basis has outpaced Joseph’s.
6. Antonio Smith
2013 Grade: +12.6
2013 Snaps: 770
Summary: Antonio Smith has been putting up elite pass rushing numbers ever since the Texans switched to a 3-4 in 2011. Few get to the passer with such consistency; Smith had just two negatively graded pass-rushing outings last season. His ranks in Pass Rushing Productivity among 3-4 ends since 2011: second (8.6), sixth (7.3), sixth (8.9). Keep in mind that he’s played a substantial 75% of the snaps over that as an every down player and not just a pass rushing specialist.
At 32 years of age, Smith shows no signs of slowing down. He may be relegated to 4-3 teams though in free agency. He’s a little undersized at 6-foot-4, 289-pounds and rarely two-gapped in the Texan’s 3-4 scheme. Smith could easily rush the passer in any scheme, but concerns about his run defense(which has only graded positively one season since he moved to 3-4 end) would be exasperated in a traditional 3-4. It will be interesting to see how Smith’s contract compares to Jason Hatcher’s. Both are freaky pass rushers that come and go against the run (Hatcher has done more in the past) and both will be 32 next season.
7. Paul Soliai
2013 Grade: +11.1
2013 Snaps: 526
Summary: Soliai is the only pure nose tackle/1-technique to make this Top 10, but calling him a run stuffer would be selling the tackle short. Soliai mainly played on run downs for the Dolphins, but his 5.0 pass rushing productivity beat out other the likes Dontari Poe and Damon Harrison. A seven-year veteran, Soliai has graded negatively just once in the PFF Era (2009). He may not come in and be a game changer for a team, but he can certainly shore up a team’s run defense in a hurry. His cumulative run defense grade in the last four years is+22.1, and that came spread across two years in a 3-4 and two years in a 4-3. Soliai’s scheme versatility will be attractive, but it will be interesting to see if he matches the two-year, $12M deal he signed back in 2012.
8. Jonathan Babineaux
2013 Grade: +5.8
2013 Snaps: 924
Summary: One of the six members of this group who will be 30+ years of age by the start of next season, Babineaux (32) has some glaring positives and minuses to his credit as a free agent. On the positive side, he played a ludicrous 924 snaps last season (fourth most among tackles) and still graded out at +7.3 against the run. On the minus side, his once venerable pass rushing skill fell by the wayside last year with a 5.1 Pass Rushing Productivity and -4.5grade. The good news about those two stats is that pass rusher’s efficiency tends to increase when they get more snaps off. The last two seasons Babineaux has been forced into an every-down role because of the Falcons’ lack of depth inside. Back in 2011 when Babineaux played just 69% of the possible snaps, as opposed to over 85% the last two seasons, he had an overall grade of +14.0 and a pass rushing grade of +10.0. Both of those numbers were his highest marks in the last three seasons. If Babineaux can get in a situation that’s not asking him to anchor a defense play after play, he could still provide tremendous value.
9. Pat Sims
2013 Grade: +14.7
2013 Snaps: 694
Summary: Sims is the one player among this group that I am most looking forward to seeing how he performs next season. The flash-in-the-pan defensive tackle for the Raiders didn’t have one positively graded season his first five years. Then he put up a stretch that few could replicate. In his last nine games of 2013 his grade was +18.1, and in Week 16 he put up a monstrous 10-stop, +7.2 overall performance. Only four other players had single games graded that highly last season and their names are Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Randy Starks, and Jurrell Casey. Quite simply you don’t see any average defensive tackle perform at that high a level just out of the blue. It tells me that the talent is there, and he may have just been waiting for the switch to be flipped. At 28 years old, Sims will likely be one of the cheaper options among this group. Some might call it risky to invest in a one-year wonder, but I think Sims has legitimately turned the corner in his production.
10. Kevin Williams
2013 Grade: +7.3
2013 Snaps: 733
Summary: Richard Seymour found out the hard way last season what the market is like for perennially high-priced interior linemen in their mid-30’s. It seems that fewer and fewer teams want to be ‘that’ team that has a former star wash out on them with a hefty deal. Williams could face a similar market this offseason. Even though he’s still playing at a high level, his decline has been fairly linear. His overall grades from 2010 on are the following:+25.1, +17.1, +11.3, +7.3. His grade last year was still good enough for 27th overall among defensive tackles, but it’s unlikely that it will go up from there. Williams is coming off of an eight-year, $45.7m contract and he’ll turn 34 before next season. If he can maintain his level of play for a couple of seasons he’s still an incredibly valuable player. The biggest question is at what price is a team willing to risk that?
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R2D2

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Maclin is more than likely going to sign a 1 year deal with the Eaglez. Cooper is probably going to walk. Imo, Maclin is worth more than Cooper.
 
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It's hard to say. No one knows what Maclin is going to be like in Kelly's offense just yet. I will say that Avant is more valuable than Cooper, however.
 
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As part of the same announcement, CBS said Dan Marino and Shannon Sharpe will no longer appear on The NFL Today. The new cast of the show will be James Brown, Bill Cowher, Boomer Esiason and Gonzalez.
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If both of those guys were looking to leave, then so be it. If they were forced out, it's such a shit decision.

I really like both Shannon Sharpe and Dan Marino.
 
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All the pregame shows are shite but CBS was probably d'wurst. The only decent pre-NFL show is the Fantasy Focus show on ESPN2.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if Bart Scott lands on CBS. He was on 'That Other Pregame Show' on CBS Sports and I saw him on Inside the NFL a few times. I thought he was pretty good.







..../bart scott
 
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Really? I thought Sharpe was awful and made the CBS pregame a tough watch for me
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I may be biased because I grew up as a Shannon Sharpe fan, but I enjoyed his schtick.

He's loud and obnoxious (and you can't understand what he is saying), but I enjoyed his enthusiasm.
 
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After two straight seasons where they had gone to the playoffs as a Wild Card team, only to lose to the Houston Texans, the Cincinnati Bengals won the AFC North with relative ease in 2013. A home encounter in the postseason couldn’t flip their fortunes, however, as they lost to the San Diego Chargers.
They head into the 2014 season looking like the strongest team in the division once again, but they do have some areas to work on if they want to keep the gap wide between them and the rest of the division, and push on as Super Bowl contenders.
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Roster Notes
- Andy Dalton continues to be the source of much debate in Cincinnati and around the league. The up-and-down nature of his play is defined perfectly by his last few games in 2013. He had a grade of +6.1 or higher in two of the final four games of the regular season and then had a -6.6 horror show in the playoffs.
- Few offensive lines in the league look as good as the Bengals’. That’s not even accounting for the possibility of them bringing Anthony Collins back at left tackle, which would allow them to slide Andrew Whitworth to the left guard spot he was dominant at late in 2013.
- A.J. Green is on the cusp of being elite, but the Bengals have other talented weapons at wide receiver too. Marvin Jones had some big games for them in 2013, while Andrew Hawkins didn’t see the field until midway through the year due to injury, but has shown flashes of potential that he can be a dangerous slot option.
- Geno Atkins is coming of a knee injury, but at his best there isn’t a better defensive tackle in football. Fantastically disruptive against the run and the pass, the Bengals will be looking forward to welcoming him back next season. They are slated to lose their best edge defender in Michael Johnson, however, and we haven’t seen enough from a player like Margus Hunt to tell if he’s going to be able to step up.
- At linebacker, Vontaze Burfict had an excellent second season in the league, and is fast becoming a special player at the position. Rey Maualuga (-10.2) struggled again, although he was better than 2012 when he was our lowest-graded inside linebacker.
2014 Cap Situation
Very healthy. With $23.6 million available, the Indianapolis Colts and and Green Bay Packers are the only 2013 division winners who have more cap room this offseason. It allows them to sign their draft picks with ease, and will be enough to be able to make a run at keeping Johnson or replacing him with another top edge rusher if they want to.
Potential Casualties
Given how much they use him, the Bengals seem to really like defensive tackle Domata Peko, but -3.0 is his highest single-season grade over the past three years. Cutting him would save roughly $4.2M in cap space, allowing them to actually upgrade at the position too. Fellow defensive lineman Robert Geathers struggled in 2012, and missed almost all of 2013, and cutting him would free up $2.7M. Outside of that, there doesn’t appear to be much more room to be made without cutting a key player though that won’t be much of a concern given the health of their cap situation.
Opportunities from the Roster
Mohamed Sanu hasn’t been consistent enough throughout his career, but has shown enough flashes of potential that he’ll likely still see the field. Vincent Rey, a restricted free agent, looked very good at times in limited duty in 2013. It remains to be seen whether or not he would thrive in a bigger role, but his level of play to this point seems to indicate it’s worth giving him a chance.
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The third team from the AFC West to qualify for the 2013 playoffs, the Chargers slipped in with an overtime win in Week 17 against a Chiefs team resting many of their starters. That fortunate entry set the stage for a well-earned first round victory in Cincinnati a week later but San Diego would be bumped in the divisional round by the AFC Champs-to-be Broncos.
The late-season push that got them in position for the splash at the end was an encouraging sign for a team that showed promise but wavered to a 4-6 start. First-year Head Coach Mike McCoy and new Offensive Coordinator Ken Wisenhunt helped breathe life back into the Charger lineup that had appeared to be running on empty prior to their arrival.
With Philip Rivers rejuvenated, a flashy rookie receiver fitting in, and solutions found at both ends of the O-line, there should be more good to come. The defense, on the other hand is littered with holes and in serious need of attention this offseason. Here’s a look at the current state of the Chargers’ lineup with UFAs removed:
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Roster Notes
- That lone blue square in the back of the defense stands out as much on this chart as it does when watching the Chargers play. Weddle is a superior piece that could anchor any D, but help is needed at all three levels around him and the secondary, in particular, could use some upgrades.
- With just a hint of green given to Corey Liuget, the front-seven is short any kind of impact presence. Manti Te’o’s lacking effort as a rookie run defender was paired with free agent Donald Butler’s inconsistent red-across-the-board play and after losing Dwight Freeney just 173 snaps into the year, the outside offered nothing of a pass rush. In front of them, any positives Liuget showed were washed by the heaping negatives contributed by Kendall Reyes on the other side.
- The additons of King Dunlap and D.J. Fluker have to give hope that this O-line has come to firmer ground. There are still issues to deal with, most notably Jeromey Clary’s spot at right guard, but having the edges cemented in is a huge step in the right direction.
- If — a big ‘if’ — Malcom Floyd is able to return from his neck injury to take position opposite the remarkable rookie Allen, the receiving corps could be rounded out. With the clock ticking for still-effective Antonio Gates and youngster Ladarius Green readying for an increased role, Rivers’ set of weapons could hit a sweet spot where all are clicking before the next transition.
2014 Cap Situation
This is where things get sticky. With so much work to be done in shoring up the defense, some of it will have to be from bringing in free agent talent – it would be a lot to ask to solve so many problems so quickly via the draft. San Diego is currently over the cap by $800k (per, appropriately, overthecap.com) and will have to do some trimming to create room for luring upgrades.
Potential Casualties
The balance to their cap space worry is the potential to gain back large chunks through a few sensible releases. Getting back to Clary, the $4.5M in cap savings he represents when compared to his 79th-ranked (of 81 qualifying guards) -19.8 run-blocking grade in 2013 makes it a fairly simple call – the only larger savings on the roster would come from letting either Rivers or Weddle go. There are others, though, as Eddie Royal, Nick Hardwick, Freeney, Gates, Jarrett Johnson, and Le’Ron McClain could each offer $2M+ of relief (Royal and Hardwick $4M+). Some combination of cuts and/or restructures from that group would create the space needed.
Opportunities from the Roster
Nose tackle Kwame Geathers showed some promise in 87 preseason snaps and might end up with a shot at assuming the anchor position with Cam Thomas a free agent. Mentioned before, but it’s tough not to be intrigued by what Ladarius Green could bring to the table as the heir apparent at tight end. A huge increase in snaps in the second half of 2013 still saw him spending the majority of his time blocking, but he could wind up as the seam threat easing the load on the future Hall of Famer ahead of him on the depth chart. Undrafted rookie safety Jahleel Addae finished with over 500 snaps logged in 2013 including a five-game run at the end (Week 15 through the playoffs) where he averaged 55 per game and posted an overall grade of +6.1 (+4.5 in coverage). Should he blossom into a legit option to pair with Weddle, one defensive worry may be erased with an in-house answer.
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Chargers D seems slightly better than shown, but for the most part I agree. Weddle is only "elite" because everyone in front of him sucks, IMO
 
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The Baltimore Sun broke the story that Rice had been arrested, charged, and released. His attorney, Andrew Alperstein, claimed that Rice's fiancée had also been arrested in connection with the incident, which he described as a "very minor physical altercation."
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But dat very minor incident doe
 
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There's that wife beating I'm hoping makes it into the football version of OOTP.

lol @ Fred Davis. Quits weed, gets hit up for violating substance policy for steroids or something.

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go skeeeins
 
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It was PEDs? I assumed it was weed again.

Meh. He entered the league a dolt and he'll leave a dolt. Not like he was gonna be on the team next year anyway. Doubt he saved much of his earnings, so I hope he does will in his legal profession.
 
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Banned substance apparently
 
ZackMills

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I've always been intrigued why you hate him so much.

He really didn't have a bad year last season and is a competent starting DB. They can't replace the entire secondary, so might as well keep a capable starter that seems to want to stay in DC.
 
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Nah, probably because he thinks he's done something I'm his career
 
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Dolphins 1st rounders:
2013: Dion Jordan - Potential to be great. Didn't see many snaps, especially late in the year. Impacted the game when he did get snaps. Excelled as a coverage specialist on tight ends but is being improperly used at DE. Needs to be a rush linebacker. Seemed to be in the middle of a Philbin/Ireland power struggle.

2012: Ryan Tannehill - Raw coming into the league. Solid a decent 2nd season: 3,913 yards passing, 24 TD 17 INT. Has the tools to be special but his lack of pocket presence will ultimately kill him. I'm not sure if that's something that can be taught. Holds on to the ball too long looking to make plays downfield and ducks into the pressure.

2011: Mike Pouncey - Very good on the field. Very questionable off the field. The bullying stuff is nothing but the drugs/illegal activity is real, not to mention being subpoenaed in the whole Hernandez thing.

2010: Jared Odrick - Solid DE/DT. Outplayed Soliai and Starks this season, IMO. But this one hurts because Miami traded back from 12-28 in this draft. And I really, really wanted Earl Thomas who of course went 14th overall.

2009/2008: Vontae Davis/Jake Long - Gone. Solid starters when healthy. Jake was elite before breaking down physically.

The problem with Miami hasn't been the 1st round or even the late rounds. It's the 2nd-3rd rounds that have killed us.

Recent 2nd/3rd round picks: Jonathan Martin (2nd, oy!), Michael Egnew (3rd, terrible), Daniel Thomas (2nd, awful), Koa Misi (solid vs run, 2 down LB), John Jerry (3rd, horrible/fat/bully) and Jamar Taylor/Dallas Thomas/Will Davis last year (no playing time/unknowns).

We've had solid finds in: Charles Clay (6th), Brian Hartline (4th), Rashad Jones (5th), Chris Clemons (5th).

tl;dr version: Miami is horrible. Especially at drafting in the 2nd/3rd rounds. And free agency. And locker room environment. Pretty good at breaking my heart every year, doe.
 
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