thats where we're differing. You're talking about fans. I'm talking about media
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NCAA Basketball And Clownzano Twitter Aggregation Thread
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thats where we're differing. You're talking about fans. I'm talking about media
Skeeter
Uber felon
Who gives a fuck what the media thinks? They're morrans
Hachiko
The Akita on Utopia
Casse-toi, vous chien. The muzak ist gr8, babby.
Brick
Well-Known Member
St. Mary's beat Gonzaga in Spokane and had 5 losses. Fuck the committee. Fuck Boeheim into space. The margin for error for teams like St. Mary's to qualify for a 68 team playoff is incredibly small for no reason whatsoever. There are teams in major conferences who HAVE 5 BIG WINS. Well no shit they play 15-20 games against good teams. Of course they fucking do.
St. Mary's beat Gonzaga in Spokane and had 5 losses. Fuck the committee. Fuck Boeheim into space. The margin for error for teams like St. Mary's to qualify for a 68 team playoff is incredibly small for no reason whatsoever. There are teams in major conferences who HAVE 5 BIG WINS. Well no shit they play 15-20 games against good teams. Of course they fucking do.
Sounds like st. Marys should start scheduling some tougher games
Wuf
Desensitized and Willing
I live in Colorado, so minus 2 hours
MSUFanatic
Well-Known Member
St. Mary's beat Gonzaga in Spokane and had 5 losses. Fuck the committee. Fuck Boeheim into space. The margin for error for teams like St. Mary's to qualify for a 68 team playoff is incredibly small for no reason whatsoever. There are teams in major conferences who HAVE 5 BIG WINS. Well no shit they play 15-20 games against good teams. Of course they fucking do.
And St. Mary's has 1? Sure those conferences have more opportunities, but if you are going to rag against conferences that don't have those shots is it now the fault of the teams that have multiple shots to win big games because they play in good conferences? Those super impressive wins against Pepperdine, Loyola Marymount, Santa Clara, and Portland don't do much. They lost their two decent shots at OOC victories against an average UGA squad and a bad WSU and then throw in a loss against San Francisco, yea that's not exactly eye opening.
The conference sucks, I'll give you that, but you can't afford to drop those two out of conference opponents when you are going to be playing RPI 200+ teams all year. If anything you proved your point, this year big wins mattered more than shitty losses. Better off dropping 5 games to shit teams while beating actual opponents that matter.
Oh and at the end of the day the NCAA wants money more than anything. Being able to show Trae Young as he cucks up 40 shots against a potential second round matchup vs. Duke - or Cuse v. MSU is going to drive more ratings than St. Mary's.
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Wuf
Desensitized and Willing
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around USC vs. Arizona State. If the Pac-12 is so goddamn shitty that 13-5 means nothing, shouldn't an 8-10 record in a shitty power conference kill any chances of you getting in, despite whatever hawt OOC wins you might have? Granted, I haven't watched either team at all this year. I don't have the EYE TEST to fall back on. But that makes zero sense to me. None whatsoever.
I feel bad for teams like St. Mary's, I'm sure they have a hard time scheduling meaningful OOC games. They're kind of in purgatory if they're going to be penalized for it.
I feel bad for teams like St. Mary's, I'm sure they have a hard time scheduling meaningful OOC games. They're kind of in purgatory if they're going to be penalized for it.
Brick
Well-Known Member
It is a 68 team field, not a 25 team field. Beating Gonzaga on the road and winning 28 games should be enough. Alabama lost to UCF at home, 15-17 Minnesota, and another bubble team, Texas, blew them out by 16 at home OOC. They also lost 15 fucking games. They lost 5 in a row two weeks ago and 6 of 8 overall, and 3 of those were by 19 points or more. They got a fucking BYE.
I don't give a shit about the resume distinctions of all of these 10-8 bubble teams, but St. Mary's is a team that should be in without even a discussion.
There are 4 teams out of 346 that have a better W/L record than St. Mary's, and they are seeded 1,1,1,2,3, and 4. St. Mary's schedule is rated 172 on KenPom which is the middle of the pack. Gonzaga's isn't even much higher at 127 and they got a 4 seed with one fewer loss than St. Mary's.
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MSUFanatic
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Still super confused how beating Gonzaga somehow absolves St. Mary's of losing to UGA, WSU, San Francisco?
Then you can make the argument that Bama's wins against Texas A&M, Tennessee, and Auburn absolve Bama's? It's amusing on how factual you believe St. Mary's should be in when they have one fucking win against a tournament team. I guess bemoan the fact that the NCAA hates mid majors and they would rather have higher tier conferences in for the $$$, but you shifted the goal posts by talking about another team instead of acknowledging that St. Mary's lost their only two games OOC against teams with a pulse.
Brick
Well-Known Member
I didn't make either of those arguments. Are you arguing that St. Mary's needed to go 31-2 to make a 68 team field?
MSUFanatic
Well-Known Member
Beating Gonzaga on the road and winning 28 games should be enough.
Sure seems like you are trying to make the point that it should absolve them of their losses because of that win only. FYI no team below St. Mary's SOS got in without an automatic bid so yea their schedule sucked ass.
Brick
Well-Known Member
Murray State got a bye with the 261st best schedule, 89 spots lower than St. Mary's. Same record. They didn't beat anyone notable.
MSUFanatic
Well-Known Member
Of course they fucking did. There's 351 teams in D1 basketball. If you are a mid major you have to be above and beyond impressive, fair or not.
Either that or drop 5 shit games like I said at the beginning and win against "competent" teams like Wazzu, UGA, and beat Gonzaga twice. The committee made it blatantly obvious they were valuing wins over losing.
MSUFanatic
Well-Known Member
Yes they did. Hence why they are a 3 seed and the lowest seed of a major conference champion. They also didn't lose to any non-tourney teams. Something St. Mary's had no problem doing.
Brick
Well-Known Member
Virtually everyone has bad losses to non-tourney teams. North Carolina lost to Wofford at home. Duke lost to Boston College, Michigan lost to Northwestern. My point is all of these bubble teams get 10-20 chances each year for good wins because of the conferences they play in. Their margin for error is enormous. Teams with losing records in conference are making the tournament. Meanwhile a team like St. Mary's is expected to be perfect in a 33 game season to get into a 68 team tournament. That is an unreasonable, dumb standard. Especially when Alabama is literally getting blown out every other game at the end of the season. I guess Georgia is a terrible loss for some reason. Anyway St. Mary's lost in OT to them, and Alabama got drilled by UGA by 19 points.
MSUFanatic
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They got an automatic bid?
Wait, didn't this just happen LAST YEAR with Syracuse? And annoyingly they made the Sweet 16 or something.
MSUFanatic
Well-Known Member
Well this I can get behind.
DeadMan
aka spiker or DeadMong
I'm just trolling about MSU. I get @Brick's point though. St. Mary's would be in the tournament if they played in a major conference. According to KenPom, their non conference SOS was 285, ahead of at large bids by Virginia Tech (344), Florida State (331), Creighton (291), close to Miami's (283), NC State (343), Kansas State (321). St. Mary's is not in the tournament solely because they play in a mid-major conference.
Brick
Well-Known Member
Anyway I get why this happened. Look at all the at-large teams with 13+ losses. It isn't a coincidence that they are all relevant in sports pop culture and will make RECRUITS CLICK.
20-13 Butler because Butler past success
18-13 Oklahoma because of Trae Young
20-13 Syracuse because of Boeheim
19-14 Texas because of Texas
19-15 Alabama because of Sexton
It just seems silly and sad to rob a team of a bid that had a great season because of that. The only team that got in on merit and not CLICKS that lost 13+ was Providence because they had 3 wins against #1 seeds.
20-13 Butler because Butler past success
18-13 Oklahoma because of Trae Young
20-13 Syracuse because of Boeheim
19-14 Texas because of Texas
19-15 Alabama because of Sexton
It just seems silly and sad to rob a team of a bid that had a great season because of that. The only team that got in on merit and not CLICKS that lost 13+ was Providence because they had 3 wins against #1 seeds.
silverwheels
PLAY LA BAMBA BABY
OU should have been in the NIT.
Brick
Well-Known Member
Teams with losing records in conference should be disqualified, period. Is it really that much to ask for teams to have a winning record to qualify for the tournament? Also, Nebraska went 13-5 in B1G and didn't make it. Any chance in hell Michigan State, Duke, UCLA gets left out with that record? Helllll no.
