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http://utopia.allsimbaseball9.com/game/lgreports/players/player_3470.html was decent.
These contracts are just dumb though. Fucking OMNIPRESENT. Can people just not help themselves?
These contracts are just dumb though. Fucking OMNIPRESENT. Can people just not help themselves?
NML
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NML
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Just make it a rule like i suggested.
When you let Wooly push the boundaries of the rules without punishment for so long, you set that standard. Ur a parent, man
I can't believe I traded for that idiot, not realing he was an old guy international. Now I've got two of these under performing worthless BUMS. 3.41 ERA in my park might as well be a MILLION ERA! Then obviously he suffered a ratings drop as well, lol, so next year he's gonna be a 4+ ERA replacement level player because I'm a fucking moron!
Fuck you?
Stop using Wooly as an excuse as well. He's gone now and you control ur own actions. I have no clue why you people continue to push this shit beyond the obvious "asshole" level and try to force the league to adopt a rule? Rules are dumb, stop trying to make us have them. Ughh. We shouldn't need rules because you people should self police to not do dumb shit. But you can't help urselves.
NML
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Is front loading contracts “asshole”?
Either it is or it isn’t. i think it’s unrealistic because i never see it, but then im hit with “just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not realistic.”
For me anyways, Liu is basically on a $6m deal with a $9m signing bonus. If that’s asshole-ish then make that the standard
Either it is or it isn’t. i think it’s unrealistic because i never see it, but then im hit with “just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not realistic.”
For me anyways, Liu is basically on a $6m deal with a $9m signing bonus. If that’s asshole-ish then make that the standard
NML a pants shittin 2 year old and Orlando should know better! That's the best part.
Spray NML with a water bottle! DO IT
Spray NML with a water bottle! DO IT
NML
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Ur allowed to have a conversation without being a douche
NML
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It’s not unrealistic in other sports. There are massive signing bonuses in the NFL, especially when teams have lots of space at the time of signing.
NML
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Well to me to me there’s a big difference between $15m to $6m, $6m versus $40m to $15m to $10m. My point was that people will push it as far as they can because that’s the standard that was set.
No one has to be a dick about it, just say stop front loading contracts and people will
But you argued so hard against even de-escalating deals with small increases and then you sign this deal. It's just frustrating. I was basically told we only need rules for wooly, but in reality everyone can't help themselves even when they are against it. Even I'm not immune as I signed Kihlstrom to a double TO on his 7 year deal.
NML
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Because i think the model should be the MLB. But no one else feels this way. Cool, it’s not a hill I’m going to die on.
If it’s an issue, make it a rule. Or just say “stop signing people to front loaded deals.”
but I think front loading is fine. Front loading such that the "signing bonus" is larger than the actual contract is a bit much.... I don't see why you'd think JD's is too much and yours is fine, proportionally they are identical (16/6 = 40/15)
I was only being a dick about you telling Orlando to treat us like children because we can't behave, that's absurd
I was only being a dick about you telling Orlando to treat us like children because we can't behave, that's absurd
Why? You'll made the argument we could police ourselves except for one owner.
I don't see much of a difference. You are dropping $10m off the deal. You are dropping more off than he will even be paid the following deal. $16m to $6m is just too much of a swing IMO. We don't have signing bonuses other than minor league deals.
NML
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but I think front loading is fine. Front loading such that the "signing bonus" is larger than the actual contract is a bit much.... I don't see why you'd think JD's is too much and yours is fine, proportionally they are identical (16/6 = 40/15)
I was being a dick about you telling Orlando to treat us like children because we can't behave, that's absurd
That’s not just a parenting technique, that’s a technique whenever you manage people. i know Orlando has a kid so i knew he could relate from that perspective.
I should hope that we (you) are capable of being better than Wooly is my point. Instead, you just point to your own shitty diaper and say SEE, YOU SET THIS PRECEDENT WITH WOOLY, IT UR FAULT I ShIT MY DIAPER, I NEED A FIRM HAND! KEEP ME IN LINE!
That's dumb.
That's dumb.
NML
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And it was wrong and cuntish
Don’t you manage people on site? Do you tell them what time to show up or do you expect them to just figure it out on their own?
I expect the people I manage to not be intentionally dense, and I'm constantly rewarded for not micromanaging them! They often find innovative approaches and solutions on their own! It's almost like I can treat adults like adults rather than like children!
It's not like that either.
NML
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No
How am i being intentionally dense?
Im 100% sure Wooly would consider his “loading up minors with older players to improve record and morale” innovative.
It's like if the company didn't have a handbook at all, and there was one real asshole employee that almost ruined everything for everyone. This asshole started leaving work at 4:00 everyday, and even though we never had a handbook that prohibited this, it was line stepping the expectations of behavior... Then the asshole got caught embezzling money via submarine and he was fired. We all breathed a sigh of relief because the company was strongly considering having a handbook because of his terrible behavior, but now we should get back to our normal culture of not needing a handbook!
Then another employee, who regularly complained about the asshole employee walking out the door at 4:00 starts to walk out the door at 4:00 hisself and says IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO LEAVE AT 4:00 YOU SHOULD PUT IT IN DA HANDBOOK. U A PARENT, U SHOULD KNOW WE NEED DA HANDBOOK!
I think that's a better analogy, and I don't really want a handbook.
Then another employee, who regularly complained about the asshole employee walking out the door at 4:00 starts to walk out the door at 4:00 hisself and says IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO LEAVE AT 4:00 YOU SHOULD PUT IT IN DA HANDBOOK. U A PARENT, U SHOULD KNOW WE NEED DA HANDBOOK!
I think that's a better analogy, and I don't really want a handbook.
It’s more like if we didn’t have a handbook at all and everyone ragged on the guy who worked from home everyday when everyone else was in the office 5 days a week. Then that guy gets fired and the people who complained about him working from home start working from home 3 days a week.
Orlando wins all the points for being more succinct. Probably parenting taught him to be more concise.
Who cares about MLB, that's way back in 2017. We're closer to exploring the stars than we are to the last Cubs WS victory!
NML
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Those analogies only make sense if ur comparing the contract Liu got to Wooly’s stuff.
To my knowledge, there’s never been a contract that alternated between $15m and $6m every other year. There’s no example of a minor league team loaded with 30 year olds.
The Liu contract is almost exactly like the NFL rookie scale. For example, #1 overall pick gets a 4 year, $30m deal with a $20m signing bonus.
To my knowledge, there’s never been a contract that alternated between $15m and $6m every other year. There’s no example of a minor league team loaded with 30 year olds.
The Liu contract is almost exactly like the NFL rookie scale. For example, #1 overall pick gets a 4 year, $30m deal with a $20m signing bonus.
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I just hope @jdlikewhoa fucks up and forgets to export on arb decision day 2072.
We loosely follow MLB because the game uses MLB rules, but our guideline is don't be a dick/ass/what-have-you. The punishment has always been ridicule. Ridicule can come from one person who thinks you are being a dick or many. I can believe these deals are stupid and while you may even agree with me you can sign them. You then open yourself up to ridicule though. The deal has almost always been that people stop dickish behavior if they are called out on it. We've encountered one, maybe two, owners who just ignore it or revel in it.
NML
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Then why is it not okay to use another sport’s contract for a guideline?