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Pac-12 Thread
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Brick
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his stupid brash picks make more sense now.
Bdub
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No just the So Cal teams as usual.
Overrated like they are every year.
Bdub
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SC and their complete waste of talent is amusing. They have had more talent then every team in the pac 12 for decades and since Carroll left they have done nothing but disappoint.Haha. Your hard-on for SC and UCLA is amusing every year.
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Brick
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rewatched the offensive possessions in the nebraska game. the offense played great. they didn't miss freeman at rb (336 yards, 7.15 ypc) and prukop made plenty of plays under pressure. no turnovers on the road. prukop made so many good reads in the run game and that opened up huge gains. he's gonna have a huge year. very smart and calm.
he had nelson streaking to the end zone on that last drive and had a lot of time to throw (just like adams had against msu last year), or he could have tucked it and ran and had a huge gain to get in field goal range. if he would have set his feet it could have been a pretty easy touchdown pass. that was a critical miss of course, but he put them in that position to have a chance to win.
reminds me of the michigan state game from last year a lot. really no shame in how they played. the defense held nebraska to 428 yards on 5.22 ypp which is not horrible considering how young they are and a new scheme. they were one play away from basically ending it on 4th and 8 on that last armstrong drive. i felt like they set out to make armstrong win the game by hisself for nebraska, and he did that.
he had nelson streaking to the end zone on that last drive and had a lot of time to throw (just like adams had against msu last year), or he could have tucked it and ran and had a huge gain to get in field goal range. if he would have set his feet it could have been a pretty easy touchdown pass. that was a critical miss of course, but he put them in that position to have a chance to win.
reminds me of the michigan state game from last year a lot. really no shame in how they played. the defense held nebraska to 428 yards on 5.22 ypp which is not horrible considering how young they are and a new scheme. they were one play away from basically ending it on 4th and 8 on that last armstrong drive. i felt like they set out to make armstrong win the game by hisself for nebraska, and he did that.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
Stop lying. He will suck against anyone with a pulse.
Hike
güero
If you consider 44-6 over a top 10 team "legit".
Didn't get a chance to watch. Was it the ass whooping the score makes it out to be?
bruin
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Third week in a row Stanford had a huge emotional game. They're really banged up. Washington played really well, but caught Stanford at the perfect time.
Brick
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http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2016/10/lane_kiffin_to_oregon_ducks_sp.html
yeah i'm not rooting for that team
yeah i'm not rooting for that team
Brick
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DanishDonut0
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I thought the same at the beginning of the season, Iguess we didn't account for the dumpster fire that is Helfrich-Hoke
Brick
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I love all the media people who are critical of Oregon possibly firing Helfrich. U CANT START FIRING AND ROTATING CORCHES NO ONE WILL WANT TO COME. Oregon hasn't fired a coach since 1976. Chill. I think they're making the wrong point. To me unless Oregon totally implodes and finishes 4-8, which is possible, they shouldn't consider firing him (until this season he was 22-5 in Pac-12 play). Chip Kelly's success was insane. Give him one more year unless you're sure the perfect candidate is out there.
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DeadMan
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They shouldn't fire Helfrich because they'd likely get a worse coach in his place. LSU is looking for a new coach. Texas probably will be, too. Then you have schools like Notre Dame, USC, and UCLA that might fire their coaches, too. You have Tom Herman as an obvious candidate, but he's not going to Oregon over LSU or Texas. Any of the other schools, besides maybe UCLA, is a more alluring job than Oregon. I don't think there's a Harbaugh sitting out there that would be perfect for Oregon, I guess unless Chip Kelly gets fired. So you're looking at maybe getting the 5th best choice of the coaches available.
I think I've said here that I think Helfrich might be Oregon's Larry Coker. It seems like he was lucky to have Mariota his first two years. The fact that he's had to rely on 1-AA transfers at QB does not speak well for him. He's had 4 years to develop a quarterback, and they've got crap. You'd think Oregon would be able to attract some pretty damn QBs with that system. They should have a Sophomore or Junior at QB who is ready to play. Aren't they now starting a freshman at QB? That's pretty damning.
I think I've said here that I think Helfrich might be Oregon's Larry Coker. It seems like he was lucky to have Mariota his first two years. The fact that he's had to rely on 1-AA transfers at QB does not speak well for him. He's had 4 years to develop a quarterback, and they've got crap. You'd think Oregon would be able to attract some pretty damn QBs with that system. They should have a Sophomore or Junior at QB who is ready to play. Aren't they now starting a freshman at QB? That's pretty damning.
DeadMan
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Miami didn't get any better after Larry Coker left, though. Even if Helfrich really is a shitty coach, there's a decent chance Oregon doesn't get anyone better than him.
Well it is about hiring the right coach. Maybe hiring the defensive coordinator of the shit-show that got Coker fired probably wasnt the best idea. Same goes if Oregon fires Helfrich for Hoke or that Beetlejuice looking mofo they had last year.
DeadMan
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So it's just as simple as hiring the right coach? Why does nobody ever think of that? You should probably let Florida, USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee, etc. know about that.
DanishDonut0
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Scott Frost? Probably too soon.
Brick
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He wasn't lucky to have Mariota. Helfrich had to convince Kelly to sign him. Oregon signed some highly rated QB prospects, but they all left (Mariota was a RSFr when he took over the job). It's up to Helfrich to retain them, sure, but you could see why some weren't willing to wait around.
The main mistake: I think he made a horrible choice in making Lockie the backup the past two years when he could have let one of the younger guys get a shot and maybe they could have stuck around. Lockie never ever EVER looked good on the field, and there were two guys behind him last year that should have been given a shot. If I was behind Lockie, I wouldn't have any hope that I'd play again given how terribly Lockie performed. This year he isn't even on the QB depth chart. I don't know if it was loyalty keeping him around or what. Or maybe he was the best practice player in football history. No other explanation.
Vernon Adams made sense last year because he thought Oregon had a chance at the playoff with the existing roster. Oregon only lost one game (Michigan State) when Adams played a full game. You saw what happened when he left the Utah and TCU games.
I don't understand why they took Prukop this year, but he was not the problem. He played well and there has been no problem with the offense this year. The freshman looked really good Saturday, so hopefully he's the guy now.
Brick
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to me that's always a bad choice to base your decision on unless you're a big time program. good coaches come out of nowhere all the time, and up-and-coming guys bust frequently. there's not a clear pecking order outside of herman. i mean shit DABO had to be at face value one of the least likely corches to succeed ever. herman was OC at iowa state a few years ago. look at hoke, charlie strong, etc. there are only a few "sure thing" corches out there. i don't think job desirability is a big factor. have to find the right guy at the right time.
DeadMan
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Yeah, the problem is not recruiting a QB or two in 2013 or 2014 who could take over from Mariota. Maybe Adams is a good one year stop gap, but you'd really expect a highly rated second year player to be pushing for playing time either this year or last year. You have to plan for QB transfers, and the fact that that guy doesn't exist is a mark on Helfrich's recruiting and/or development at QB.
DeadMan
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I totally agree, but you're also trading a guy who had back to back top 10 finishes and a playoff appearance for a wild card. If Helfrich is bad next year (or if he finishes 2-10 or something I suppose), that's probably a good risk to take. But let's say Helfrich has Oregon at a consistent 8-9 win team, with the occasional playoff run. Is that better than taking a chance on a wild card?
Brick
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https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/18240
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/15417
both transferred, sat behind lockie. who knows? maybe they were awful. they were probably under the impression lockie was going to start last year and this year.
Brick
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Yes.
Way to miss the point Dumbman.
Brick
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too late for corch pete, too early for frost. really doubt chip kelly would go back to oregon if better choices are available, unless he really likes the place/culture. he's done in the nfl when the 49rs him, though. not going to get the NASHNUL corch carousel of losers treatment. he's the johnson/stein of the footbaw league.
Oregon's QB situation is not really the problem. They're still top 20 in total offense (they should be a lot better with their skill talent, though). It's that Helfrich thought hiring a guy who had never been a DC before and pairing him with bad defensive talent was a good idea in the Pac-12.