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2018 Motor Racing thread
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Again that is fine, and I'm not even saying he won't deserve it. He's done more than enough to have that happen outside of tonight. I'm just saying I think you are clouded by the past when viewing tonight. It looked open to me, and it looked like he got to the rear door (if they had one) before Jeff closed him down.
They love controversy as long as the geese don't get hit. They love when Busch hits a truck on caution on Friday, but they don't love when Gordon gets wrecked on Sunday. They'd rather a race finish without bumping if the big teams are out front. That's when you hear all about respect and doin things the right way
goblue96
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And if a title contender takes him out in Phoenix, they have zero chance of winning the title. If someone goes head-heading, it will be somebody with nothing to lose. Paging Kasey Kahne. Tony can't go after him because the mainstream media will be all "OMGZZZZ!!!!! Tony tried to kill him." NA$CAR won't have that.
Don't think anyone is saying be "friends". Theres racing with respect and then theres racing with no regards or care for your competitors. Also, as this thread shows, there are PLENTY of people that hate Gordon and cheer when he wrecks. I've been to many a race where Gordon was wrecked and half the stands were cheering. Is he a "goose", and if so, why were they cheering? I think the only driver on the circuit that doesn't get cheers when he wrecks is Dale Earnhardt Jr. and there are still plenty of fans that hate when he does well...so im just not seeing that argument.
gilstein21
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Kyle can take him out next week. He can probably even make it look like an accident.
I said at the track, I should have said from what I've seen at TMS. I thought it was implied it was my personal experience and that I haven't gone to races with you.
If what happened tonight is racing with a lack of respect then that is absolutely stunning to me. It's like not driving down the lane because there's an opening in basketball
If what happened tonight is racing with a lack of respect then that is absolutely stunning to me. It's like not driving down the lane because there's an opening in basketball
WTF are you even talking about? How long have you been following racing? GTFO with that shit. Busch was an incredible chickenshit for wrecking Hornaday under caution, just like his brother was for trying to take out Jimmy Spencer at Michigan some 11 years ago. Harvick did the same crap at Martinsville in a truck race once. They all got what they deserved. People get pissed when you drive like a fucking idiot, regardless of who you are and what series you're in. Tony is about the farthest thing from "vanilla" and even he doesn't drive like that...unless someone deserved it. Dale Jr: not vanilla. Doesn't drive like a jackass. If you're actually good, you can win without being a wrecking ball.
Keselowski's problem is that he doesn't learn from past experiences. I think he'll get the message before the end of the season.
Says who? You can't wreck someone and continue on? Never heard that one before.
WTF YOU TOM BOUT WILLIS? Why do you guys keep talking about brad's career? Nobody cares about that, you're just talking to yourselves. I only was talking about tonight, which still baffles me that there is any controversy with it unless it is solely due to reputation and him being disliked.
Not when judging the move. Why should it? What happened after is definitely correlated, but whether the move was a hack job or a move for an open lane at the end has nothing to do with his career. How does it?
HOW LONG YOU BEEN RACIN BOY!?
Again, if you started watching before this year, you'd have a fucking clue. Go back to 2007-8 and get back with me when you're done catching up on Brad.
These guys aren't stupid, and they don't forget.
@OU11, the entire situation revolves around how Brad has driven his entire career. if this is his first transgression, or 2nd or 3rd, Gordon is pissed, and lets it be known, but the entire situation that happens afterwards never happens. The move is exactly what we should expect out of Keselowski witht he way he has raced his entire career which has led to his in-garage reputation as an asshole driver.
@GatorTD...thanks for bringing the maturity.
@GatorTD...thanks for bringing the maturity.
A better question, and I'm being genuine about all of this because I just don't understand, is how was his move tonight not respectful? I know it wasn't smart in the long game, none of his racing is, but in the race tonight why was it not okay to go for the opening? I've seen that done a lot and drivers make room, obviously that won't happen for Brad because everyone hates him but I honestly didn't see anything that hasn't been done before
Bruh, I don't care about why they hate him. I know why they do and I agree with most of it. I'm not arguing that Brad is a disrespectful driver
I did, and I know his history. I've not once argued about it so I'm not sure why you aren't grasping the concept. I do not care to argue whether he is respectful or not outside of tonight. If you want to shed light on tonight I'm all ears, or eyes. If you want to keep pumping your chest out about 2008 when nobody is arguing about it that is fine too I guess.
I'm just dicking with you, but what OU says is true. Everyone wants/loves controversy unless it involves their guy getting ran over.
@OU11, well i'm not arguing that he couldn't make the move he made tonight. However with his past, with the situation...it was a dickbag move. He initiated the contact and put a fellow Chase driver out of contention. To your first post, Gordon isn't gonna give him room because he gave him room. Brad was OVER half a lane off the white line which ran him into Gordon. Gordon was already halfway up the track because he started on the outside lane. Hell, Jimmie was underneath Gordon without making contact, so why couldn't Brad? Because of his bullshit "I saw an opening" excuse. Its how he drives, which is why his past is relevant here because this isn't a one time incident...its how he is.
Iron
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Looking at it again. Gordon got a bad restart but was trying to pull the same arcing line into the corner like he did to pass Johnson just 10 laps prior so this time he could at least be side by side off two. Problem this time was that third place got a good restart, when Jeff had passed JJ on prior restart, third was no factor because they were on equal tires and IIRC it was Dinger who was trying to make a 20th place car run 3rd. This time around - Brad had fresher tires, Brad is the most aggressive driver in the sport, and you knew he was going for the spot. Gordon was trying to run the same line, Brad did what he does best - be aggressive all the time (remember Talladega spring? Eight laps down, gotta be aggressive!).
Looks like you can fit a car in there, I've seen that done lots of times before. You already told me what I needed to know earlier though, sounds like it was an okay move for anyone but him. That's what I thought too, it takes me a while to beat the emotion out of you guys so we can talk about the same thing
I had no emotion. I don't have a driver I pull for in the Sprint Cup Series. But you are correct...there are lots of drivers besides him that can make that move and it ends off with pissed off drivers. Since it was him, it ended in a fight because of who he is and his past.
Bdub
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He for sure did. He tried to shut the door.
This is my point. There is emotion from them because they hate Brad, so they automatically see it as brad's fault. Gordon tried to wreck him and he ended up wrecking himself..
Gordon tried to wreck him? Brad admitted he went for the spot and bulldozed his way in there. Lawd indeed. You people don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Anybody with half a brain can tell that if he just stays behind Jimmie through turns 1 and 2, he gets past Gordon before the backstretch. Then it's Brad with fresh tires vs. Jimmie on old tires in a 1 lap race. Easy win. Instead, he got 3rd and has no chance in hell of winning the title. Smooth move.
Even Jimmie didn't know he was there. He said he got the spotter call that the 2 was on the outside, and he had no clue how the hell he got there.
Brad was in the fucking catbird seat on that restart, and he fucked the win away by being an idiot. If Gordon takes the inside on the restart, then it's the 2 vs. the 24, and at worst he finishes 2nd. With the 24 on the outside (and anyone who has watched Gordon race for 25 years knows that he can't restart well to save his life), it should have been a fucking cakewalk to win that race with fresh tires. Instead, by cutting Gordon's tires on that bonzai move, he causes a caution and fucks himself over.
Like I said though, he won't win the title. There's too many chances for someone to not cut him some slack in the next 2 races. Then he can complain about it to the media as if he's some martyr.
Brad was in the fucking catbird seat on that restart, and he fucked the win away by being an idiot. If Gordon takes the inside on the restart, then it's the 2 vs. the 24, and at worst he finishes 2nd. With the 24 on the outside (and anyone who has watched Gordon race for 25 years knows that he can't restart well to save his life), it should have been a fucking cakewalk to win that race with fresh tires. Instead, by cutting Gordon's tires on that bonzai move, he causes a caution and fucks himself over.
Like I said though, he won't win the title. There's too many chances for someone to not cut him some slack in the next 2 races. Then he can complain about it to the media as if he's some martyr.
