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2044 Off-Season Thread (GET YOUR ST ROSTERS READY)
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Cash is a overall thing thougj it isnt a yearly deal with ootp, he makes a profit and whatever he makes over budget for one year cuts into the cash. It looks like what youre saying but thats not really how ootp treats it
And dev. Actually he should slash those to zero right now.
Lloyd Carr
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Guy is likely going to end up in Amsterdam before he ever plays in the WBL.
doh
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So the potentially best SS you've seen in 5 years is worth being in financial hell OR just trading everything you have to slash payroll? Yep, that's certainly a Tankee opinion.
This is only a thing if budgets can go below payroll, and if his payroll is 65M then im almost positive they cant. He wont have to trade even one player, and will only be out of FA and IFA for two or three years if he keeps winning 70-80 games. He'll have to make the playoffs this year or it will take a bit longer
Lloyd Carr
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IVe signed like one (maybe two) FA since joining OOTP, and maybe one or two IFA (the scraps left over). This is money I dont ever spend. Id rather use it in this kind of situation to try and get some future leverge, than waste it on the excel spreadsheet.
Lloyd Carr
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I already made my bid this afternoon while day drunk.
doh
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Yes 8 WAR/year is worth it. But this isn't 8 WAR/year. This is the chance of 8.0 WAR/year. I also doubt he will be that at SS with those defensive ratings.
It's not over budget, it's over expenses. In Lloyd's case, cash will be one of these expenses. For anyone with positive cash, it is a credit in your final balance.
Lets use the following as a model: 2044 revenue @ $117M and expenses @ $100M. Thats about a $17M profit, with a $10M cash surplus from the previous year. Balance is $27M. Is you assume revenues are the same this year and expenses are the same this year, then adding $80M in IFA expenses would put him at a loss of $53M. If he ups ticket prices $5 (+$15m in revenue) and cuts scouting and dev (-$15M in expenses) he would end the season about $23M in the red instead of $53M. He would start 2045 with -$23M in cash, but would likely make more than that in profit before the cash expense. He would be in ok shape and just take a budget hit that he would have to try to bounce back from.
Go to the OOTP screen and look in expenses there is no cash. The profit and loss for a year is independent of cash, I'm sorry but that is just how it is. Then cash is tallied after the individual year is reconciled. You can keep arguing about it all you want but that is not how OOTP treats it.
doh
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Yes and the huge, huge key is it used to be the owner would just add cash and put you to $0. Now it's different.
Last year I was well under budget (about $5m under). But my expenses were more than revenue so this year I started out -$14m and after revenue sharing as -$2m. So you can't just fuck yourself then have your budget go down and make money to get back into it. Now the cash hangs with you which really handicaps you.
Well your application is wrong. I'm telling you how it applies to Lloyd's situation and he is probably only affected by this for 2 years, three at most. Cash is not the main ingredient, profit is. Yearly profit. Cash will mess him up this year, but he will also not be $50M in the hole going into next year. This is the only year he will show a loss, since cash is an overall thing and not a yearly thing.
doh
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I meant more over off-season like you could when owners would turn it over really quick. And you had a better team a Buffalo so you could count on playoff revenues and a higher fan approval or whatever rating.
I just don't get how someone can add $65m in IFA without significant cutting of payroll, player devo and scouting expenses and not have a giant drop in expenses. Revenues won't rise that much.
@Lloyd Carr if you do sign him, just cut scouting to 0 or 4M, cut dev budget to 4M and increase ticket prices to 28. If you have a surplus of guys somewhere sell a few for some cash.
Lloyd Carr
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Well, jd has a bid up there for ~$35-40M. I might just let him fall on the grenade and hope he fucks himself over and opens up the South.
That would kill JD, he isn't in the same position as you.
No, I just mixed up the line. Cash is included in the final balance, which carries over year to year. Max of $10M if positive, an infinite amount if negative.
Yeah Lloyd, do exactly what i just said in my model
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Yes it might help a little but raising prices won't help that much. It'll push attendance down a little. Plus he could miss the playoffs. He made it to the second round which helps a lot with that $13m. Probably $8m or so of that?
And again: maybe this dude is really good. But there's not a sure fire 100% chance this dude is great (especially defensively).
LAWD what I'm saying is it isn't factored into yearly profit/loss. Either way you're treating it like real life and the model OOTP uses to factor it in isn't like that. Someone in LC's position isn't really hurt too badly by this, someone in JD's situation is. The main thing is LC would show a season profit next year even if you don't think so, it is a 100% fact.
He made $17M total.
And 4M was from the playoffs, which I didn't include in the calculation since he could miss them this year.
You are saying exactly what I am saying.
I know, I was just giving perspective for @doh.
You were saying he wouldn't show a profit, which isn't the case. Unless you were saying he would show a profit by saying he wouldn't show a profit, in which case take a communication class
I'll bring up what Buffalo makes after the season but I see their season profit around $20M this year at minimum (shed 10M in payroll and make another $10M-$15M in gate). Which means if he did go $50 in the hole, he'd make up $20 of that this season and go into next year $30M down at most. Same thing the next year and he's 10M down which isn't much at all. That's a sold player or two away.
Again, exactly what I said.
I didn't see where you said you were wrong, my b. I just saw where you said your model was correct. Financial model where cash is included in yearly profit/loss isn't correct and it makes a huge difference when looking at what lloyd is thinking about