Wooly
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Write a script to pull from html tables in the format you want. But usually it's pretty easy to paste values and get it how you want it.
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Gooksta
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I wish ootp had a "pitches seen per plate appearance" stat. Avoid k guys can foul off pitches a ton, but I think high "eye" guys tend to do better
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I want
My tool is now 2 generations of OOTP old. WHO EVEN KNOWS WHAT A BTT IS ANYMORE?
TonyGin&Juice
Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
Who even cares?
Mr. Radpants
Trog Five Standing By
I care, his tool is GR8
You can tell my immersion is HIGH when I actually use the BTT Tool to analyze my depth chart! I'm predicting 21.4 BATTER WARS based on my current 13 position players. It is funny to compare this depth chart back to previous versions I posted where I had more BATTER WARS predicted, but also had less consistency and depth.
PREDICTION = 87-92 wins
-Batter Wars = 21
-Based on the quality of my starting rotation and bullpen I figure I'll get another 20-25 WARS from pitching. Probably the best pitching staff I've ever had.
-Assuming replacement level players get 46 wins
Areas I could/should upgrade to optimize the roster:
1. Backup Catcher
2. Swap one of the LHB 1Bs for a big RHB for platoon possibilities
3. Could upgrade at LF
PREDICTION = 87-92 wins
-Batter Wars = 21
-Based on the quality of my starting rotation and bullpen I figure I'll get another 20-25 WARS from pitching. Probably the best pitching staff I've ever had.
-Assuming replacement level players get 46 wins
Areas I could/should upgrade to optimize the roster:
1. Backup Catcher
2. Swap one of the LHB 1Bs for a big RHB for platoon possibilities
3. Could upgrade at LF
I've been fiddling with my TOOL based on last seasons statistics and I've noticed a few changes to our league!
1. GAP seems to be a good bit more valuable than it used to be, and Eye/Ks took a bit of a drop.
2. GREAT/GOOD defense seem less valuable compared to league average. I think this is because the average defender in the league is better than when I first made the tool.
3. I'm tweaking position values a bit now that I am actually looking at players who play the position (rather than what you have their position listed as)
Here's a chart of all the players who played at least half the season at DH! My biggest error is on @Mr. Radpant's NAIL HOOK because I have his predicted WAR down at 2.1 and his actual WAR was 6.1. My TOOL has always had trouble with this type of bat, but interestingly Halewijn Villoldo from @Rutgers Mike has a very similar type of bat and my predicted WAR tool over-predicted him by a bit. I will continue to post the charts for other positions as I finish them!
1. GAP seems to be a good bit more valuable than it used to be, and Eye/Ks took a bit of a drop.
2. GREAT/GOOD defense seem less valuable compared to league average. I think this is because the average defender in the league is better than when I first made the tool.
3. I'm tweaking position values a bit now that I am actually looking at players who play the position (rather than what you have their position listed as)
Here's a chart of all the players who played at least half the season at DH! My biggest error is on @Mr. Radpant's NAIL HOOK because I have his predicted WAR down at 2.1 and his actual WAR was 6.1. My TOOL has always had trouble with this type of bat, but interestingly Halewijn Villoldo from @Rutgers Mike has a very similar type of bat and my predicted WAR tool over-predicted him by a bit. I will continue to post the charts for other positions as I finish them!
Here are the players who played at least half the games at 1B.
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He's an awesome player, but not even close to CARRIER in his prime. This was also basically a career year hitting for him and he's still playing great defense too, so you're seeing the top end of his potential. Last year was below average for him. I think he'll be resembling that 4-5 WAR player more in the future rather than 7-8 WARS. Players get boosts from morale and team chemistry/morale. Since he was playing for a team that was running through everyone last year, that helps explain why he did extra well!
Here are the players with more than half the season played at 2B. I had to bump the Position adjustment from 0.5 > 0.6 because the average defense for 2B is now much better! The average 2B in the league now has a range of 55, arm rating of 50, error rating of 60, and a 2B rating of 60.
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jdlikewhoa
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Wait.. I just traded for a BAD Defensive 2B?! SAD!
-9zr last year! He actually played worse than Bad, he was terrible on defense!
Here are the players that started at SS for more than half the season. The SS players show the defensive mindset in our league even more profoundly. The AVERAGE SS has range of 65, arm of 60, TDP 70, error 70, and SS rating of 65. The average defender at this position is so much better that I had to up the POS WAR from 0.8 to 1.1
Did he play 80 games at one position? If not, I'll get to him when I cover UTILITY TALISMEN
Edit: Nevermind, I see wat ur sayin. I hide the column with TALSIMAN WARS because I don't wanna give all my secrets away!
Edit: Nevermind, I see wat ur sayin. I hide the column with TALSIMAN WARS because I don't wanna give all my secrets away!
Last one from the night, here are ur 3B boys who play half at least half the season. Had to up the position value on this one as well, though there wasn't that much spread in the defensive ratings.
I color coded the ratings for @Mr. Radpants and @Lloyd Carr so that they can rightfully explain that you can ignore all ma'spergin and just FOCUS ON BLUES AND GREENS
jdlikewhoa
Well-Known Member
My IF defense looks all around terrible
Yankee151
Hot Girl Summer
This also must mean that the only columns that really matter are the Actual WAR and Error ones.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
"Stats are for losers. They relish in them"
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
@Travis7401 should do some personality profile spreadsheets or at least cross reference similar players with reference to this. I think they'd reveal more patterns than stats/ratings. This game has a highly programmed narrative.
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
To be fair I shook things up the last 2 months of the season to play 35-21 ball after 47-59 play the first 4 months by moving Munoz to a super sub role and letting Fidi and his terrible range man the hot corner. To be fair I also added Stinson and Otero’s bats to the lineup.
Here's ur LF boys
Rutgers Mike
Dr. Sad
Foios was our most likely LF not Boersma?
The ratings are only OSA and your scout’s opinion of the player.
CF was a bit odd this year because of the horrible -ZR put up. This made the position less valuable on average defensively, though the best players put up more ZR gaining that defensive value back. I adjusted the position value down for CF for this exercise, but this really has me considering combining the defensive and positional values into the same category for my predictions.
Boersma only played 20 games in LF. He'll show up as a RF where he played in over 100 games
And here's ur RFs!
So the run and defense "fuzzy ratings" in the BTT is based on the ratings. I also did performance based stats to compare and it is pretty clear that OSA is often lagging on the player's range ratings. Typically the older players have worse defensive stats than their ratings would suggest. I'm going to do a bit more of a thorough breakdown on fielding ratings vs stats later.
The running ratings/stats are so hard to pin down that I might just give up on that. I think it is fair to say that a guy with 70+ on all 3 running ratings adds some value, whereas a guy with sub 40s on all running stats loses some value, but it is really hard to prove this statistically since SB is the only thing I can look at really well and that depends on strategy and other players (pitcher and catcher) ratings as well. Plus you have to consider how faster/better base runners add value by stretching singles to doubles and stuff like that. The very best base stealers can add over 1 WAR to their total, but I think it is fair to assume a max added value of 0.5 WAR for the best base runners (70+ in all areas) and subtract 0.2 for all guys with terrible running stats.
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
If the true parameters of the player are completely hidden, it makes it even more likely that the players are on the rails.
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Thanks for catching that, I'll check the 3Bs because it looks like that column didn't get sorted properly. Vreke is certainly not GREAT defense and Nuh shouldn't be set as AVERAGE either. That could really help explain why the 3B numbers were so wonky and I had to add position value to them.
All that being said NUH's statistical performance was more in line with a "good" 3B, since he had a ZR of +2.5 and "Good" gets you +0.3 WAA (Wins Above Average). Then I have to take and assign a "position" value to determine how much better "average" performance at that position is compared to a "replacement." I'll probably get rid of that extra step in the future and just assign ratings based on defense, wherever you chose to play them.
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The players have actual ratings, but we don't get to see those ratings... we see OSA's opinion of how good a player is. It adds an element of uncertainty that is extremely necessary!
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He got all his exp at 3B this season, so I imagine the stats will improve to more closely match whatever his rating is.
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
I would imagine there's more to it than just a set of ratings.
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
I personally believe there is going to be code that keeps players from relying purely on their ratings for their progression and performance.
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
Yeah. Other than that there will probably be a bunch of stuff not to let them rely on this too heavily either. Unless the indy devs are that clever, which they aren't.
Hayvis, you should start a quickplay MLB game and open the player editor if you want to see what's under the hood! This is how that fuck Wooly got his players on the ROIDS
You can also read this handy game manual that describes how the player model works!
https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/index.php?man=ootp20&page=the_player_model
You can also read this handy game manual that describes how the player model works!
https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/index.php?man=ootp20&page=the_player_model
hayvis
Will-Gnome Member
Thanks for the link. I literally read the first thing that I found on that, and it spoke of hidden ratings, which is basically what I was eluding to.
I think you'd do best to focus on understanding the non-hidden ratings 