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Discussion in 'OOTP Discussion (Out of the Park Baseball)' started by Soonerfan09, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. Yankee151

    Yankee151 TWINK Stadium

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    He's talking about RF, obviously.
     
  2. OU11

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  3. Travis7401

    Travis7401 Douglass Tagg Community Liaison

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    I was too busy typing #Paragraphs.

    Let that be Lesson 5 or whatever...
     
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  4. Mr. Radpants

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    Lesson 5 was the only one that anyone read.
     
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  5. Soonerfan09

    Soonerfan09 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I was talking about the statistics, but what you just posted answered tons of questions that I wasn't even sure how to ask and is way more valuable than my first question anyway.
     
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  6. Travis7401

    Travis7401 Douglass Tagg Community Liaison

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    Lesson 6 or whateva is all about managing ur entire organization for cultivating future WBL talent. First I talk about the organizational depth chart in OOTP and then I discuss how I set up my own organizational depth chart.



    *one thing I forgot to mention is that you can create "Shortlists" for your players and it makes it real easy to keep track of them that way, even if they leave ur system.
     
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    I can't remember if you can have multiple shortlists but I use one to look for future players
     
  8. Soonerfan09

    Soonerfan09 Well-Known Member

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    When do we talk about INTANGIBLES? We're 6-8 in the two weeks since we traded that hack Ken Coleman. We won 6 games all of June.
     
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  9. Lloyd Carr

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    Where can I read about the BTT and ERA+ rating metrics again, @Travis7401 ?

    edit: nevermind, I found it. Looks like Buffalo will be bad forever, because I am way too impatient and lazy to figure out the BTT method and how to work excel.
     
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  10. Mr. Radpants

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    The only stats that matter
     
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  11. Travis7401

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    I talk about intangibles a bit in the vidya I just made, but I'll expand on it a bit more here:

    There are 6 traits that are visible (Leader/Loyalty/Desire for Win/Greed/Intelligence/Work Ethic) and then there are apparently "hidden" personality traits that are only viewable in the player editor (which only the Os have access to) which include stuff like "team captain, prankster, cancer, clutch, TALISMAN (I made this one up), etc). A lot of times you can deduce these "hidden" traits through deduction by looking at personality ratings, personality description (on the player page) and clubhouse reports.

    Some intangibles have team chemistry implications, some have financial implications, some have development implications, many of them overlap.

    Here I show how I view them in order of importance in each category. All 6 tie to clubhouse dynamics to some extent. 3 of them tie to development and 3 of them tie to contract/financial negotations.


    Clubhouse Implications: (all 6 effect this to some extent but some of them are situation dependent:
    Leadership, Work ethic, Intelligence, Winner (makes morale even more tied to record), Loyalty (High loyalty players might get sad if they are in the last year of a contract and you haven't extended them), Greed (if player is high greed and you aren't paying him enough he'll be mad about it)

    Development:
    Work Ethic, Intelligence, Leadership

    Financial Implications:
    Greed, Loyalty, Winner


    Here is the blurb from the OOTP manual that describes everything:
    I only really care about leadership/work ethic/intelligence when evaluating draft/IFA prospects. I mostly only look at the other stuff in a free agent context (especially desire for winner if my team was bad).

    So how much does this shit matter? On an individual level I don't think it matters all that much. You can cope with assholes by offsetting them with good guys. As long as you have a happy clubhouse, you should be outperforming expectations. So what you have to watch out for is that tipping point between a happy clubhouse and a disgruntled clubhouse. You can take the best team in the league on paper and they'll have a losing season if they are having clubhouse issues. You can take a loathsome team to the playoffs if they have a happy clubhouse.

    ANECDOTE TIME:
    In 2050 I had a truly loathsome team and I somehow made the playoffs because everyone was so FUCKING HAPPY and my "clubhouse leader" was identified as Douglass Tagg. I laughed about this because he was my worst player by far, what a pain!

    In 2051 I made one single change that I thought would take my team from loathsome and lucky and turn them into a legit playoff contender. I took the Loathsome Douglass and demoted him to AAA and brought in the best 3B in the game at the time, Rafael Juarez to take his place. On paper this was literally a +5 WAR improvement year over year and I was sure I'd make the playoffs. Instead, despite Juarez's great personal performance winning 5.1 WARS, the team had their worst performance under Mr. Manager. I had taken a team leader off the team and replaced him with a complete asshole and my clubhouse dynamics fell apart and everyone was pissed as fuck.

    After that, Douglass has always been on my WBL roster (and I also added other guys with great intangibles as well) and my team always seems to be HAPPY AS FUCK, even when they go on the occasional long losing streak that might snap a lesser clubhouse and send them into a death spiral. Zero Losing seasons with Douglass Tagg on the WBL roster.

    Watch the WBL for long enough and you'll start to see a pattern of which teams underperform compared to their on-paper ratings and which teams over-perform. The difference is often a happy clubhouse.
     
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  12. Travis7401

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    I made a vidya showing how to use the btt calculator. As long as you set your player positions correctly it is just a matter of copy/ paste into the calculator.

    If you want provide assistant gm services for a 3rd round pick...
     
  13. Soonerfan09

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    Just got around to watching the video. I like the way your spreadsheets look, very nice and organized. I would like to do something like that, but right now I too lazy. I might do it after school starts though. Instead, since I don't have much going on, I've spent a lot of time getting to know my team. I check the box score of every game my MLB plays for that sim, and check every player in AAA AA A players card and check their last 5 games and season stats and sometimes ratings if they are doing above or below average.

    A question I have from the Lesson 5:
    Do the field ratings improve or just the position ratings?

    Thanks for all the videos and thanks for telling me when you were going to post them after you posted them.
     
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  14. Travis7401

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    fielding ratings can improve, but they usually don't move all THAT much. Position ratings will go from nothing to 65+ if the player has the right fielding ratings and gets the experience they need.
     
  15. Soonerfan09

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    Moscow Mules 2061 Opening Day Roster

    Moscow finished the 2060 season going 84-78, missing the playoffs by one game. The Mules weren't expected to take the competition for the 4th and final playoff spot down to the wire and according to the BNN, they aren't expected to this season either. Moscow is predicted to go 78-84 tying Lisbon for 5th in the league of champions.


    Pitchers

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    P Stefano 'Two Shoes' Pierleoni
    - Pierleoni came to Moscow last offseason by way of Seoul. He went 16-9 last season, starting a league high 34 games posting a 2.88 ERA and racking up 149Ks. He finished the season with 4.5 WARs won. Stefano is far and away the ace of the staff and could be the first 20 game winner for Moscow since Boys Kiene in 2052.

    P Máximo Gabriel
    - Gabriel was traded from Istanbul at the end of last May and proceeded to start 22 games for Moscow, going 11-5 with a 2.48 ERA, 125Ks, and 3.1 WARs won. Gabriel will need to put up similar numbers to last season if Moscow wants to continue improving their record under corch Sooner Fan.

    P Alonso 'Truck Stop' García
    - Garcia was signed this offseason as an upgrade over locker room favorite Bo Liu. Liu went 5-16 last season, but still managed an ERA under 4 (3.91) and posted a positive WAR (1.7). Garcia is expected to improve on Liu's win total from 2060.

    P Manuel Díaz
    - Moscow traded for Diaz at the end of the 2059 season. Diaz started 33 games for the Mules in 2060, exceeding all expectations by going 16-7 with a 3.57 ERA, and 1.4 WARs won. If Diaz can repeat that performance, Moscow will have a great chance of making the playoffs.

    P Guo-quiang Chen
    - Moscow acquired Chen from the Ottomans in July of 2059. In the 2060 season, Chen went 12-11, starting 31 games with a 4.21 ERA and 0.8 WARs won. Chen gave up 37 HRs last season, a number that must go down if Chen plans to maintain his spot in the rotation.



    RP
    P Lando Andreassan
    - Andreassan was signed as an IFA by Moscow in 2049 and has been with Moscow since. Although he spent the entire season on Moscow's active roster in 2060, he only appeared in 9 games, throwing 9.2 innings (I have no idea why he was rarely put in the game). Lando should expect to see an increased workload this season.

    P David Pickett
    - Pickett was traded to Moscow from Kabul in 2055. In 2060, working as a MR, Pickett went 0-2 in 46.1 innings, 4.27 ERA and 0.5 WARs won. Pickett will need to show a lot of improvement if he wants to stay in Moscow for the 2062 season.

    P Amato Rivera
    P Eulogio Xavier
    - Rivera and Xavier are both new FA signings that should add talent and experience to the middle of the Moscow bullpen. Xavier in particular should expect a heavy workload this season.

    P Joe Crowley
    P Xavier 'The Sheriff' Miranda
    - Crowley was signed as a FA last offseason and served as a setup man for the Mules. He went 1-5 in 59 innings with a 3.36 ERA. Miranda was claimed off waivers (Halifax) in October of 2059. For the 2060 season, The Sheriff led the Mules bullpen with an 11-6 record (4 saves) in 101.2 IP, 1.95 ERA, 1.9 WARs won. Miranda is the indisputable leader of the bullpen and along with Crowley, will be leaned on heavily.

    P Nail Kavur
    - Kavur was drafted by the Mules in the 2nd round of the 2054 draft. 2060 was Kavur's first season in the big leagues and he went 5-7 with 44 saves, a 3.09 ERA and 0.9 WARs won. Kavur blew 7 save opportunities last season, a number that needs to go down if Kavur wants to be considered an elite closer.

    Summary - It's no secret that Moscow's league leading Defensive Efficiency had a huge impact on Mule pitching last season and will this season as well. Moscow pitching will need to keep the ball in the park and avoid walks to be successful. The starters did a great job of making quality starts and throwing deep into the game last season, something we would like to see continue for the 2060 season. The bullpen needs to be more consistent, but we will welcome a performance similar to last season.

    Fielders
    IF
    C Francisco Medina
    C Esteban Paz
    1B Dennis 'Dino' Sparks
    3B Alejandro Romero
    SS Juan Villanueva
    SS Júlio 'Matador' Montoya
    3B Luis Romero
    SS Leonardo Rodríguez

    OF
    LF Dennis Arkell
    CF Amelio Oliva
    RF Ha Alisjahbana
    CF Juan Patino
    CF Johan Knegt


    I will finish the rest after the OU game....probably in a few days.
     
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    @worst2first Travis posted a lot of good info in here if you have a few weeks to read and watch his 5-part Moneyball, Dysonsphere, WARS WON, roster-building mega-series.
     
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    Fivespot lost for remainder of the 2063 season with a knee fracture. SAD!
     
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    That's dumb.
     
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    YA WOO MULES BASEBALL!

    Great to see Corch Fan's first ever draft pick, Trevor Mintey, pick up a game 7 World Series win in what will probably be his last WBL appearance. It was also nice to see potential HOF'er Jesus Varela win another shamship before riding off into the sunset. This was probably the most talented team I've ever had, in all phases of the game. Quite a few veterans on the squad though, so it will be interesting to see where we go from here. Definitely losing an impact player already, but we will have the budget to continue this model, but we also have a few up and coming pieces if I want to take a different approach. Should be a fun offseason.
     
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    I once caused the casino nearest me to run out of ginger beer due to drinking so many Moscow miles during an afternoon /early evening pai gow poker session.
     
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