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Conference Excretion Thread

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
Why North Texas? Doesn’t Southern Methodist cover the Dallas market already.

Kind of wish they get Brigham Young but they probably see themselves as too good for the AAC which is sad because there’s no way in hell they’re getting into the PAC-12 or Big XII. Utah is now the premier program in the state which is hard to fathom if you grew up in the 80’s or 90’s.

Also with Connecticut gone, Temple just seems an odd fit now in the American.

I think it depends on the TV deal. If BYU can make more with ESPN on their own, they'll stick on their own. But if the AAC can get a good deal that makes more money for BYU, I think they have a good shot at them.
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
UConn was smart to ditch AAC. Way better TV deal with FOX for Big East. Being Indy at this point is about equal to being in the AAC (doesn't matter to them... they suck either way might as well make more $). Going to save lots of money travel wise for all sports.

I wonder what other schools are going to follow. I've thought the long-term play in college sports is football-only leagues. It really made no sense for Tulsa to be in the same league as UConn.
 

Rutgers Mike

Dr. Sad
UConn was smart to ditch AAC. Way better TV deal with FOX for Big East. Being Indy at this point is about equal to being in the AAC (doesn't matter to them... they suck either way might as well make more $). Going to save lots of money travel wise for all sports.

I wonder what other schools are going to follow. I've thought the long-term play in college sports is football-only leagues. It really made no sense for Tulsa to be in the same league as UConn.
It made sense for UConn, but are there other schools it makes sense for? Not really. Big East wouldn't take Temple no matter how good their basketball was for years because they already had Villanova, so it's not like they can leave. Plus the new AAC TV deal is worth about $80M per year. Split 11 or 12 ways or whatever, its 7M per school. I'm pretty sure thats more than the Big East deal, but maybe they renegotiated since. Tulsa ain't getting that from the Missouri Valley Conference and Temple ain't getting it from the A-10 and UCF/ USF aren't getting it from the Sun Belt.

Are there things that would make more sense? Sure probably some consolidation and reorganization of the AAC/ C-USA/ Sun Belt group of 36 teams, plus UMass, Liberty, Army to make 3 or 4 more geographically sensible divisions, but no one's gonna want to give up money either.
 

Snorky's Shame

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Boise State and the Mountain West never seemed to have gotten along.

I wonder where Boise State park their Olympic Sports though. An all-sports conference stretching from Philadelphia to Boise doesn’t make much sense.


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Rutgers Mike

Dr. Sad
Boise State and the Mountain West never seemed to have gotten along.

I wonder where Boise State park their Olympic Sports though. An all-sports conference stretching from Philadelphia to Boise doesn’t make much sense.


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Nothing makes sense anymore. Still think if AAC is going to do a western expansion, they need to do more than just 1. Not sure if the money makes sense either to go past 12. especially with the waiver of the conference championship game minimums.

 

Snorky's Shame

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Nothing makes sense anymore. Still think if AAC is going to do a western expansion, they need to do more than just 1. Not sure if the money makes sense either to go past 12. especially with the waiver of the conference championship game minimums.



Brigham Young
Air Force
San Diego State

Add Army to get to 16 and do a pod system like the WAC did in 1996. It worked out well for them...

I’m surprised Boise State has not thought about independence or the Mountain West doesn’t do some realignment to break up the California schools. I know Boise is not happy being in the Mountain Division. Something like this might work.

Mountain (basically the original Mountain West without Brigham Young and Utah): Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming

West: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Jose State, Utah State

I suppose you could move a couple of teams around to make sure Nevada and UNLV are in the same division.


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Renegade

Charge on!
Boise State and the Mountain West never seemed to have gotten along.

I wonder where Boise State park their Olympic Sports though. An all-sports conference stretching from Philadelphia to Boise doesn’t make much sense.


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Emails say Big West or Missouri Valley. They also reached out to the West Coast but got shot down. I’m guessing the Big West with a travel subsidy.
 

Snorky's Shame

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Emails say Big West or Missouri Valley. They also reached out to the West Coast but got shot down. I’m guessing the Big West with a travel subsidy.

MVC? I’m sure Loyola, Valparaiso and Evansville would love that Boise trip.

The Big West has morphed into a Southern California bus league with UC Davis and Hawaii as geographic outliers. This isn’t the Big West that Boise State was in before. Maybe they’ll take them but it’s also a one-bid league.


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Renegade

Charge on!
MVC? I’m sure Loyola, Valparaiso and Evansville would love that Boise trip.

The Big West has morphed into a Southern California bus league with UC Davis and Hawaii as geographic outliers. This isn’t the Big West that Boise State was in before. Maybe they’ll take them but it’s also a one-bid league.


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I know back in 2013 they had a deal worked out with the Big West, but that also included San Diego State. The Summit makes more sense to me, assuming the Big Sky is out.
 

Snorky's Shame

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I think they might have meant Summit when they said MVC. Easy to get it mixed up since there are a bunch of schools that do MVC for football but Summit for everything else.


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jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
So when BYU gets tired of the MWC and goes independent, they're difficult to work with. But Boise State feels the same way and everyone's OK with it?

My pipe dream is that BYU grabs Boise State and goes to Nebraska and others unhappy with their P5 Conference and says "Let's make a new conference." If you can get enough name programs, it would be tough to keep them out of the P5 status. You may have to go a few years without the guarantees, doe. I don't actually see this happening, but that's what I would love to see. I'm not sure who those other schools would be that could fill out and make at least 8 teams, doe.
 

Snorky's Shame

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So when BYU gets tired of the MWC and goes independent, they're difficult to work with. But Boise State feels the same way and everyone's OK with it?

My pipe dream is that BYU grabs Boise State and goes to Nebraska and others unhappy with their P5 Conference and says "Let's make a new conference." If you can get enough name programs, it would be tough to keep them out of the P5 status. You may have to go a few years without the guarantees, doe. I don't actually see this happening, but that's what I would love to see. I'm not sure who those other schools would be that could fill out and make at least 8 teams, doe.

Is there anyone else that isn’t happy with the Mountain West besides Boise State? My thinking is that Boise State and Brigham Young could take the bigger teams in the Mountain West and form a new conference.

If only the WAC could have found a permanent division solution that didn’t separate Air Force from Colorado State and Wyoming.
 

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
ain't that a punch in the nuts

raw
 

jamesnathan

Resident Mormon
Is there anyone else that isn’t happy with the Mountain West besides Boise State? My thinking is that Boise State and Brigham Young could take the bigger teams in the Mountain West and form a new conference.

If only the WAC could have found a permanent division solution that didn’t separate Air Force from Colorado State and Wyoming.

BYU made the MWC and still was unhappy with how they were treated. So making a new conference where they are the big dogs who force what they want probably isn't appealing to teams like SDSU (for example). I wonder how much talk there has been behind the scenes about something like this, doe.
 

Renegade

Charge on!



Now that's some crazy ass shit. Going to try to go FBS with that line up? That's a potentially decent FCS league if they add a D2 power like West Texas A&M, but give me a fucking break on any of those schools being in FBS.
 

Snorky's Shame

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I’m pretty sure this is death knell for Chicago State. I’d imagine Seattle might want out too.

I heard that the Texas schools that are leaving the Southland have double the budget of the Louisiana schools and that’s why they want to leave.

Yeah just what FBS needs, more schools. Not even sure the new WAC is better than the Big Sky, Colonial or Missouri Valley.


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goblue96

Disney and Curling Expert
I’m pretty sure this is death knell for Chicago State. I’d imagine Seattle might want out too.

I heard that the Texas schools that are leaving the Southland have double the budget of the Louisiana schools and that’s why they want to leave.

Yeah just what FBS needs, more schools. Not even sure the new WAC is better than the Big Sky, Colonial or Missouri Valley.

In a few years, the G5 is going to become the new FCS and the FCS is going to become a 1-AAA type division. This is just the second tier Texas schools making sure they are in the second tier of football when it all shakes out.
 

Renegade

Charge on!
I’m pretty sure this is death knell for Chicago State. I’d imagine Seattle might want out too.

I heard that the Texas schools that are leaving the Southland have double the budget of the Louisiana schools and that’s why they want to leave.

Yeah just what FBS needs, more schools. Not even sure the new WAC is better than the Big Sky, Colonial or Missouri Valley.


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Chicago State can probably move to the MEAC, since they're desperate for members. If one more member leaves, they will lose their NCAA autobid I believe. Seattle is stuck in the WAC until the WCC invites them, if that ever happens.

It has also been reported that the Atlantic Sun was going to add Central Arkansas and a couple more schools to launch their own FCS league. We'll see if that comes to fruition.
 

Snorky's Shame

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In a few years, the G5 is going to become the new FCS and the FCS is going to become a 1-AAA type division. This is just the second tier Texas schools making sure they are in the second tier of football when it all shakes out.

If the P5 splits up, I kind of wish they would just blow up the super-conferences and go to something like this:

Big East: Boston College, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

ACC: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Big Ten: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Big Eight: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

SWC: Arkansas, Baylor, Brigham Young, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Utah

(I suppose you could switch the Oklahoma schools and the Utah schools)

PAC-10: Arizona, Arizona, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Southern California, Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Washington State

Seven conference winners and 1 at-large for an 8 team playoff. Double it for a 16 team playoff.

As for Chicago State, they really shouldn’t even have an athletic department at this point. I don’t want the school to close though, they should just be the South Side’s answer to Northeastern Illinois on the North Side. They had D-1 athletics until the mid 90’s when they shut down their athletic department.
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
Is there anyone else that isn’t happy with the Mountain West besides Boise State? My thinking is that Boise State and Brigham Young could take the bigger teams in the Mountain West and form a new conference.
Do the WAC break-up part II? I'm not sure there are enough with similar level ambitions for that to work.

Boise should really just go Indy/Big West and subsidize travel for BW. Those schools are all going to be desperate for money (CA Public universities will be totally fucked very soon). The TV deal was probably the final straw. Boise thought they had their own ESPN agreement.

You could also go totally rogue and do a SuPeR G5 league (wasn't this the original idea for C-USA?). The money from basketball is so insignificant compared to football that saving on travel for Olympic sports might make it worth it. Not to mention a better TV deal for football and the NY6 money.

My SupEr G5 league: BYU, Boise, Houston, San Diego State, UCF, USF, Cincy, Navy, Memphis, SMU, 2 others (UNLV because of stadium/Vegas??, wild card from CUSA/SB that takes football seriously?, Liberty seems to take sports serious but they've got so many issues)
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
Tulane profile I don't like (small private, never won anything).

I was thinking of Temple. They've been actually pretty good of late and producing tons of NFL players. I'd probably pick them up. The SuPeR league might be too AAC focused was my only rationale leaving them out. Plus no one will ever care about Temple football.
 

bruin228

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NCAA Moderator
They've been picking up recently and it never hurts a conference to have a team in New Orleans.

Another option could be Fresno State. Or the service academies. Outside of that, you're looking at other east coast teams like Charlotte, ODU, ECU, App State
 

goblue96

Disney and Curling Expert
Tulane profile I don't like (small private, never won anything).

I was thinking of Temple. They've been actually pretty good of late and producing tons of NFL players. I'd probably pick them up. The SuPeR league might be too AAC focused was my only rationale leaving them out. Plus no one will ever care about Temple football.

Temple wanted to build their own stadium because they were tired of taking in the ass from Eagles in terms of rent. It went nowhere because no one in Philly gives a shit about Temple football.
 

bruin228

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NCAA Moderator
“It went nowhere” i.e. first search about it brings up that it was submitted to the building committee like a month ago lol

I doubt anyone in New Orleans gives a fuck about Tulane football either and they built a stadium just fine. Temple will get their own stadium (and fuck a bunch of minorities over in the process)
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
They've been picking up recently and it never hurts a conference to have a team in New Orleans.

Another option could be Fresno State. Or the service academies. Outside of that, you're looking at other east coast teams like Charlotte, ODU, ECU, App State
Fresno State is BROKE money wise. They've peaked. The only advantage is that area produces a ton of good CFB players. Close enough to NorCal and SoCal to get those players too.

App State might be pretty good actually. ECU has fallen off a cliff.
 

bruin228

Well-Known Member
NCAA Moderator
Fresno should fold their program anyway for having JOSH right in their backyard and letting him go to Wyoming
 

Yankee151

Hot Girl Summer
ArroyTheO aside, UNLV would make a good fit in a G5 super conference just based on the stadium alone. Vegas is also a natural host location for a Ship, especially if the conference is located across the country
 

bruin228

Well-Known Member
NCAA Moderator
UNLV is just such an awful program, but yeah, they would probably be included because NASHNUL stadium and TV marketzzzz or whatever

Should take Nevada for a half decent program and the legal @Bmack associates
 

doh

THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
I was thinking of Temple. They've been actually pretty good of late and producing tons of NFL players. I'd probably pick them up. The SuPeR league might be too AAC focused was my only rationale leaving them out. Plus no one will ever care about Temple football.
Woah looked it up: Temple leads G5 with 20 NASHNUL players at the start of the year. 2nd most is Houston/UCF/Wyoming with 13.
 

goblue96

Disney and Curling Expert
“It went nowhere” i.e. first search about it brings up that it was submitted to the building committee like a month ago lol

I doubt anyone in New Orleans gives a fuck about Tulane football either and they built a stadium just fine. Temple will get their own stadium (and fuck a bunch of minorities over in the process)

Where the building committee will shove it in drawer and nothing will happen.
 

BasinBictory

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