Mame YO
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The narrative in this has already coalesced doe. The talking heads talk about him rejoining Dillingham at the start of every broadcast and then they gush over how good he has been playing.
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2022 Season: Week 9 Thread - Don't Fear the Reaper
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Mame YO
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Bryce Young is still the best player in the nation. Take him off bammer and they lose to TN by 5 tds. Without Hooker, TN prolly loses to bammer by 5 TDs too, though, so who knows.
Voters won’t want to give back to back so he’s hampered by that. If Hooker beats UGA he’s a lock I think because he will light up the rest of the schedule. If he doesn’t but still has a good game, just remains to be seen. Voters really seem to be on Stroud’s jock. He’s a great player obviously, but to me they play a bunch of nancies and would have lost yesterday if 44 didn’t become a one man wrecking crew.
Voters won’t want to give back to back so he’s hampered by that. If Hooker beats UGA he’s a lock I think because he will light up the rest of the schedule. If he doesn’t but still has a good game, just remains to be seen. Voters really seem to be on Stroud’s jock. He’s a great player obviously, but to me they play a bunch of nancies and would have lost yesterday if 44 didn’t become a one man wrecking crew.
Mame YO
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They don’t though. Is stroud a better passer statistically? Sure. Nix has more points. Does Hooker lead the #1 total offense? Yes. And like I said, if TN wins out he probably wins the heisman. Duggen is doing great 22TD/2INT but also less yards and 67% completion rate. The comparisons mostly get muddier as you work through them. Maye for UNC is pretty good! UNC doe.
Again, I said Nix deserves consideration. It’s not difficult to imagine a 50+ TD Nix / pac 12 shampionship winning Oregon / top 5-6ish ranking being a very attractive candidate for the award. You’ll are all so focused on hating on Oregon because of their cringe media ecosystem, but Oregon is a good team and Nix is also good, actually!
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Mr. Radpants
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This perception is reinforced by every Oregon journalist tweet and Mame post
Mame YO
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All of this is reasonable and isn’t too far off from what I’m saying, except I’m adding the additional wrinkle that if Nix keeps performing well and some chips fall a certain way (TN loses to UGA), he has a path and deserves consideration. I think there is a bit a of knee jerk response around here for people to strongly disagree with my posts but I’m really not reaching that far.
Mame YO
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I sort of already addressed that point too, you could spin it as a redemption story / reuniting with Dillingham type thing and the ESPN talking heads would (and already have been) eat that narrative up. You can definitely form a pessimistic narrative also but that isn’t how the media has been covering him as far as I’ve seen and that’s like 80% of the battle.
Mame YO
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Sorry not sorry, I can’t take ur opinion seriously. Noted Oregon hater thinks a potential 50 TD season from Nix isn’t worthy of Heisman consideration. Big surprise.
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Brick has been a noted Oregon hater for years on this site @Yankee151
Brick
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he'll have less pass TDs than prolly 20 qbs and a lot of STAT PADFORD 1 yard rushing tds. who cares. also they will have lost 3 games so all will be moo point anyway.
Mame YO
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If they lose 3 games it will be a moot point, sure. It seems a bit arbitrary of you to exclude a dual threat’s rushing stats doe lol. Stroud is a better pure passer but Nix accounts for more scores. You win the game by scoring more points than your opponent so I don’t see why “who da best pure passer” should be the criteria and it isn’t the first time you’ve inserted arbitrary qualifiers to your arguments when it comes to Oregon either.
Mame YO
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You’re focusing on a couple QB sneaks and ignoring that Nix runs the ball often and has a good YPC while he does it. He had an 80 yard TD run vs Stanford for example. He has 60 rushes over 8 games for 441 yards (7.5 runs per game, 7.3 ypc).
And isn’t like Nix is a poor passer or his stats are padded by dinking up and down the field. More than 1/3rd of his pass completions against UCLA were for more than 15 yards. Lol.
And isn’t like Nix is a poor passer or his stats are padded by dinking up and down the field. More than 1/3rd of his pass completions against UCLA were for more than 15 yards. Lol.
Mame YO
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These all sound like a lot of excuses to exclude stats as meaningless, I could do the same thing in the opposite direction and make Nix/Oregon look like world beaters just by excluding the Georgia game so let’s not go down that route.
the fact remains that even with the Georgia game included (they did play the game, after all) Oregon’s offense is elite and nix’s production has been elite all season. No amount of handwringing over stat padding changes that.
the fact remains that even with the Georgia game included (they did play the game, after all) Oregon’s offense is elite and nix’s production has been elite all season. No amount of handwringing over stat padding changes that.
Mame YO
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You can do this cherry picking with any team though. You aren’t engaging in statistical analysis, you’re just working to confirm your bias.
Brick
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how is listing every team's defensive ranking that he has faced other than Georgia cherry picking? lol
Mame YO
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Oregon is currently putting up elite, video game, championship caliber numbers on offense. That includes their stats from the Georgia game. The fewest points they have scored since the Georgia game? 42 against Cal. You can pick through and make a case against any team like what you’re doing. I can probably engage in similar tactics with teams like Ohio state or Clemson in order to diminish their successes. Basically anybody outside the SEC could be knocked because of some weakness in their schedule.
Brick
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sure there buddy. can't accuse me of cherry picking. total defenses higher than anyone Oregon has beaten that tOSU/clemson has faced.
Iowa 5th
Rutgers 12th
Syracuse 16th
NCSU 17th
Florida state 22nd
notre dame 28th
Wisconsin 34th
Toledo 36th
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UCLA 50th
Mid is the preferred nomenclature
Mame YO
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None of these teams really have much in the way of common opponents with the pac though, do they? So then it becomes a chicken & egg argument. Oregon, Washington, ucla and usc are all top 12 in total offense. Arizona is #20 and Utah is #26. The pac has more offense every year, it’s basically always like this.
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If Bo fucking Nix gets the Heisman, they should melt all of the trophies down and cancel the award.
Mame YO
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If Nix has something like 4000+ total yards and 50+ TDs playing for a 1 loss conference champion, you don’t think that’s a worthy Heisman resume?
Mame YO
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Nix has 31 TDs, most in the nation.
Mame YO
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I mean, I wasn’t doing this because the game was played, but just to make a point - that 50 TD figure comes from his average production this season including the Georgia game in which Oregon did not score a TD. He could end up with 55 TDs if he keeps his pace from week 2 onward, assuming Oregon plays the pac12 shampionship (which, he would need to do in order to be a Heisman contender). 50 TDs is very much an attainable figure for him given his production thus far. It’s arguably a conservative figure.
In an alternate universe, Oregon didn’t play Georgia and Nix is the Heisman front runner on pace for 60 TDs, leading the #1 or 2 offense in the nation on an undefeated team bound for the playoff. You’ll are PISSED in that sim.
In an alternate universe, Oregon didn’t play Georgia and Nix is the Heisman front runner on pace for 60 TDs, leading the #1 or 2 offense in the nation on an undefeated team bound for the playoff. You’ll are PISSED in that sim.