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2018-2109 LAME
- Thread starter Brick
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He was awesome last night. But playing for that shot when they had a bunch of time left on the clock? Dumb, dumb, dumb. It was an awful shot to pull up from 36 feet against one of the best defenders in the league.
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Soonerfan09
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Yeah, it would have been so much better if they played the Warriors, Nuggets, or Rockets...
This makes me so happy
Dr. Shats Basoon
Closed mouths don't get fed
He shot 8-12 over the series from that distance and around 40% over the course of the season. I won't go as far to say it was a good shot but for Lillard it isn't a bad shot
evil1
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It is similar to Wardell Curry Jr. Shots that are ridiculous and impossible for most everyone else are normal shots for them. It is amazing.
However, I roll my eyes at people essentially saying how OKC's recent playoff shortcomings have doomed Westbrook's career and legacy. For example, they note that Westbrook is only 4-15 over his last 19 playoff games has been bounced out of the first round again. True, but that also describes Damian Lillard from 2015-2018 (4-15 in playoff games and swept in the first round twice). Dame has rebounded nicely from that rough patch with the Trailblazers. I will go ahead and buy Westbrook redemption stock for the 2020 playoffs.
However, I roll my eyes at people essentially saying how OKC's recent playoff shortcomings have doomed Westbrook's career and legacy. For example, they note that Westbrook is only 4-15 over his last 19 playoff games has been bounced out of the first round again. True, but that also describes Damian Lillard from 2015-2018 (4-15 in playoff games and swept in the first round twice). Dame has rebounded nicely from that rough patch with the Trailblazers. I will go ahead and buy Westbrook redemption stock for the 2020 playoffs.
CJ_24
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Counter take: They wanted to take the last shot, and shooting from 36 feet is the most open look Mr. Lillard would get precisely because Mr. George guarded him. If he moves any closer to the basket, Mr. George is in his grill. From 36, Mr. George didn't face up on him, which gave him enough space for, essentially, an open look. It's not a good shot, but in the CURRY ERA where every guard practices that shot more often than is reasonable, it's not a bad shot, and it's likely a shot that Mr. Lillard takes every day.
silverwheels
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If you think that was "essentially an open look" when a 6'9" defender is contesting a shot from 36 feet away, while having to side step in order to create a sliver of space, then I don't know what to tell you.
It was awesome, and Dame was cold blooded for that one. But it was super dumb.
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He was 2-6 in the second half from 3 point range before that shot. It was an awful shot that went in.
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NML
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Stop being such an old
1 - isolation when the clocks running down gets a ton of hate, but it’s statistically the right decision because when you run a set, the value in the set is that you can create a good look at some point. But with the last shot, that’s not what you want - because you may give the other team a chance to win it before OT if you get the look too early
2 - the game has just changed, and for guys like Dame and Steph, that distance is a shot in their toolbox. I posted it early, but he was 8 for 12 in the series from 30+ feet. SSS and all, but what more can you ask for than a shot he hits 67% of the time?
3 - I thought Dame brought up a good point in the post game presser. He doesn’t have the size advantage over PG, so taking him inside probably isn’t the right decision. Plus, if you get contact, that is such a huge call that the ref may not want to make.
1 - isolation when the clocks running down gets a ton of hate, but it’s statistically the right decision because when you run a set, the value in the set is that you can create a good look at some point. But with the last shot, that’s not what you want - because you may give the other team a chance to win it before OT if you get the look too early
2 - the game has just changed, and for guys like Dame and Steph, that distance is a shot in their toolbox. I posted it early, but he was 8 for 12 in the series from 30+ feet. SSS and all, but what more can you ask for than a shot he hits 67% of the time?
3 - I thought Dame brought up a good point in the post game presser. He doesn’t have the size advantage over PG, so taking him inside probably isn’t the right decision. Plus, if you get contact, that is such a huge call that the ref may not want to make.
Wuf
Desensitized and Willing
Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy, or Dame Dollaz? @Travis7401
Dr. Shats Basoon
Closed mouths don't get fed
ok well ur ron
jamesnathan
Resident Mormon
My boss took me to the Rockets-Jazz game last night. We were 7 rows back behind the basket on the Rockets bench side of the floor. Really good tickets. Pretty good game (despite all the Yahoos who seemed to think the refs were against the Rockets on EVERY SINGLE CALL). And my team had a shot at the end but went cold. My boss paid for the tickets, parking, and my dinner (I'm covering for someone who's out and didn't get lunch yesterday). Pretty good night for free.
Wuf
Desensitized and Willing
Nah, it wasn't a bad shot. I was watching the game live and with the kind of zone he was in, when he took the shot, my thought was "this guy's got balls", not "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?" And then he made it and I realized that Lillard is ascending and I don't think anybody wants any part of that motherfucker going forward this postseason. He's probably gonna butcher ma'Nuggz (if they advance)
silverwheels
PLAY LA BAMBA BABY
Yeah DAME is on one right now. I wouldn't want to play him if I were any team in the West.
You guys are morons.
Loved watching it happen, as I was thrilled to see RUSS and the thudner bounced. I was as amped as anyone when it went in. Still an awful decision.
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Loved watching it happen, as I was thrilled to see RUSS and the thudner bounced. I was as amped as anyone when it went in. Still an awful decision.
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MSUFanatic
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What kind of coach would be like yea let's look for a step back 3 from 37 feet? The shot's fine in a vacuum (tie game if you miss play OT) and even better since it went in, but not something you draw up and plan for. I'd love to see a coach down by three and say hey Lillard let's run a play to get you a step back 37 footer with one of the better defender's on you.
FYI here's Lillard's percentage for the year on those long balls.
https://stats.nba.com/player/203081/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season
It's silly for PG13 to say what he did because he looks like psalt face, but he's not wrong.
FYI here's Lillard's percentage for the year on those long balls.
https://stats.nba.com/player/203081/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season
It's silly for PG13 to say what he did because he looks like psalt face, but he's not wrong.
If you are a coach with no other option than to have your guy throw up a 37 footer with a 6'9" incredible defender with a 7 foot wingspan, while side stepping, then you probably shouldn't be coaching.
Just look at the shot McCollum got with a minute to go. He had no problem getting a much better look than what Lillard did with George guarding him.
There's nothing KILLJOY about it at all. It was an incredible shot at the end of an incredible game that I thoroughly enjoyed. It's totally possible to be entertained by bad basketball, and that's what that last shot was.
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Will give the Lillard /hot judgment argument some leeway. I’m fine with that.
But a 19 year old 6’0” point guard just pounding the ball into the hardwood for 28 seconds then jacking that shot up whilste hoping to impress several car rental franchise owners? Never!
But a 19 year old 6’0” point guard just pounding the ball into the hardwood for 28 seconds then jacking that shot up whilste hoping to impress several car rental franchise owners? Never!
NML
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If Stotts takes the ball out of his hands, he’s not the coach anymore. That’s just the reality of the game.
Like Wuf said, you have to trust in Dame to get the shot he wants. That’s the one he wanted - and clearly for good reason
The CJ shot wasn’t even that much better haha. George doesn’t defend it as well but it’s still a deep, contested two
MSUFanatic
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NML
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I asked it before but what’s the better choice here? If ur answer is “CJ pull up from 22 feet with PG’s hand in his face on a night he was 8-19 and 1-7 from deep” then I’m not sure what to tell you
Maybe it gets lost because of the follow through and quick reaction by George, but Dame has a TON of space to get the shot off (relatively speaking)
Maybe it gets lost because of the follow through and quick reaction by George, but Dame has a TON of space to get the shot off (relatively speaking)
MSUFanatic
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To me still going to the basket is the better option. You have a chance to get fouled, a chance to kick the ball, or a chance to step back from a closer distance.
Now if Lillard thinks there is no chance he's getting to the basket then yea the shot was the best shot in the scenario, which is what I said at the beginning. That still doesn't mean overall the shot quality is good I think the statistics prove that 37' shots aren't quality looks due to the lack of attempts. If they are quality shot attempts we would see the league attempting them a sizeable margin which just isn't the case.
James Harden
Damian Lillard
Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Klay Thompson
Kyrie Irving
Kyle Korver
Paul George
Devin Booker
J.J. Redick
Kemba Walker
C.J. McCollum
All attempted only 13 FGAs from 35' - 39' all regular season. If these types of shots were good looks shouldn't we see a lot more attempts?
Brick
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yall stats dudes trippin. we all have seen or participated in games, or maybe even been the person where a hot hand is going and pretty much everything seems to be going in. he had hit 9 threes in the game. he was feeling it. when you are that hot, it doesn't really matter where the shot comes from. basketball is a super mental game, especially when it comes to shooting.
if you are a dope who either hasn't played or was never a good shooter, youll never understand.
if you are a dope who either hasn't played or was never a good shooter, youll never understand.
MSUFanatic
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The hot hand affect is vastly overrated (2.5% uptick) and is dictated a lot by whether or not the difficulty of the next shots are similar to the difficulty of the first shots. There was a pretty solid Harvard paper detailing this affect.
http://www.sloansportsconference.co.../02/2014_SSAC_The-Hot-Hand-A-New-Approach.pdf
MSUFanatic
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doh
THANK YOU Dermott McHeshi
Here is why it would have been dumb to set a screen, run a set, drive, etc.... Why on earth would you invite more defenders to converge on Dame? You can't compare it to a regular season/middle part of the game because it is defended totally differently.
The other part of the equation (again with more defenders coming into play) is Dame isn't very tall. He can't just shoot over or outmuscle guys.
It was 100% the "right" "good" whatever word you want to use shot.
The other part of the equation (again with more defenders coming into play) is Dame isn't very tall. He can't just shoot over or outmuscle guys.
It was 100% the "right" "good" whatever word you want to use shot.