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122nd Annual Winter Meetings in BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA!!

Mr. Radpants

Trog Five Standing By
The WBL Winter Meeting Committee would like to invite GM-Owner-Managers and their family and friends to the 121st WBL Winter Meetings in Baton Rouge, Louisiana!

Baton Rouge is Louisiana’s Capital City and the hub of all things Louisiana. With a prime, central location—just an hour away from New Orleans and Lafayette—Baton Rouge is the perfect city to explore the eclectic culture of this amazing state. Nicknamed the “Red Stick,” Baton Rouge houses over 300 years of history, much of which can be tasted in our delectable food, seen in our distinct architecture and learned through our unique culture.

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Settled by Europeans on Native American hunting grounds, the city of Baton Rouge has grown up under the influence of English, French, Spanish, and native cultures. The city is proud of its Cajun and Creole heritage, with clubs famous for playing the blues, and streets full of restaurants serving up everything from spicy Bayou foods to Caribbean home cooking. Located on a bluff overlooking the Mississippi delta, visitors can watch the sun set over the levees, ride on a riverboat casino with the Riverboat Gambler.

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You could even grab a friend GM and help Nutopia solve one of the longest mysteries in internet posting history -- locating @Reel!

Reel E. Weird is a media epithet popularly used to refer to an unidentified Nutopian poster who began multiple ill-fated dynasties and initiatives, extorted 13,000 likes (equivalent to 2 billion likes in 2062) and disappeared, parachuting to an uncertain fate above Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Despite an extensive manhunt and protracted Nutopian investigation, Reel has never been located. The case remains the only unsolved air piracy in Nutopian commercial aviation history.

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While available evidence and a preponderance of expert opinion suggested from the beginning that Weird probably did not survive his risky jump, Nutopia nevertheless has maintained an active investigation for 45 years following the disappearance. Despite a case file that grew to over 60 volumes over that time period, no definitive conclusions could be reached regarding Weird's true identity or whereabouts. The suspect purchased his airline ticket using the alias Kelvin, but because of a news media miscommunication he became known in popular lore as "Kevin".

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2042 FBI Composite Drawing of Kevin's Sock Game

A joint collaboration between the Winter Committee Meeting and the WBL Commissioner's Office, the Worldtopia League Baseball and their affiliated parties will gather at the 123nd annual meetings for a week filled with seminars and league and organizational meetings.

For six event-packed days, the host hotel will bring together front office personnel, trade show exhibitors and job seekers, all under one roof. Throughout the week, a number of notable events fill the agenda, including the Baseball Trade Show; the WBL Job Fair, presented by the ULG; the Banquet; the Bob Freitas Business Seminar & Workshop Series; the Awards Luncheon; and the Gala. This year, the Workshop Series will feature several interesting breakout sessions such as

Characteristics of a True Leader
featuring guest speaker Douglass Tagg

Work Productivity 101
featuring Tony Gin & Juice

Friend GMs: How to Leverage WBL Connections while on Paternity Leave
featuring Rad Pants

How to cut your GM's working budget by 18%
by Clodio Cymbron Jr

A special live Journal Readings Session by Yankee 151, in which the now famous GM reads decades old journal writings and reflects on his experiences at the end of the world.

And a live screening of a new film, presented by ESPSim
30 for 30: Convicts vs. Convicts
In 2058, Kabul hosted Halifax in what was one of the greatest games in Junior Varsity history. It was heel vs. heel, the No. 4 versus No. 1. But the name still attached to the game came from a t-shirt manufactured by a few enterprising underclassman students.
 
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MSUFanatic

Well-Known Member
Potentially willing to deal:

Darryl Nelson LHP SP Currently going through arbitration and team controlled for at least another 3 years until you'll be forced to sign him to a long term deal.

PM me. I'm happy to be fleeced.

Also how did we go from 123rd Winter Meetings to 122nd? Is the time clock on Earth expiring soon in OOTP?
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
Available:

SP Dave Christian

3B Ibrahim Munir

RF Juan Castillo


I know someone out there wants Christian. Yeah, he costs a lot, but he's a great pitcher, and he will go for 20m in FA, so you might as well make a deal for him now and not have to bid on him with others during FA. I am not asking for a lot either.

Let's get this done today!
 
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NML

Well-Known Member
Example?

He's maybe $10m - and people overpay in FA because they don't have to give anything up. Now ur asking for DOUBLE his overvalued cost AND something else?

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Wooly

Well-Known Member
Example?

He's maybe $10m - and people overpay in FA because they don't have to give anything up. Now ur asking for DOUBLE his overvalued cost AND something else?

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You don't know what I am asking. I said I don't need a lot. Every year is a little different for sure, given supply and demand, but 10m is probably low any year for Christian in FA.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
You don't know what I am asking. I said I don't need a lot. Every year is a little different for sure, given supply and demand, but 10m is probably low any year for Christian in FA.

You'll need to give something up to move him.

http://utopia.allsimbaseball9.com/game/lgreports/players/player_10884.html

Seguin was coming off a much better season, and got a 1 year, $6m deal - by GM Otto.

Downwards trending, average pitchers who are 35+ are not going for very much.
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
Especially ones who lead the league in HR allowed. I know those are always the guys I look to splash the cash on.
Cherry picking. Christian pitched a ton of innings, like he always does, he will have some high HR totals. More in some years, less in others.

His HR/9 is a better stat, and he was 1.4. That is pretty close to his historical average since being a regular starter in 2057. Since being a regular SP in 2057, he has been one of the best pitchers in the league, and in that time he has about a 1.2 HR/9 rate. So there is no reason to worry about his HR rate, it's right within his historical norm, and his historical norm a SP is great!
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
Cherry picking. Christian pitched a ton of innings, like he always does, he will have some high HR totals. More in some years, less in others.

His HR/9 is a better stat, and he was 1.4. That is pretty close to his historical average since being a regular starter in 2057. Since being a regular SP in 2057, he has been one of the best pitchers in the league, and in that time he has about a 1.2 HR/9 rate. So there is no reason to worry about his HR rate, it's right within his historical norm, and his historical norm a SP is great!


He gave up 32 the year before...
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
You'll need to give something up to move him.

http://utopia.allsimbaseball9.com/game/lgreports/players/player_10884.html

Seguin was coming off a much better season, and got a 1 year, $6m deal - by GM Otto.

Downwards trending, average pitchers who are 35+ are not going for very much.

GM Otto is a shrewd negotiator.

You got him for 10m AAV in 2059, when he was 35. Seguin 2058 had a comparable season to 2062 Chrisitian, but Seguin was also pitching in the Dyson Sphere TM

Buffalo got him for 6m AAV in 2062, when he was 38, and Seguin didn't have a better season in 2061, than Christian just had at age 35.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
GM Otto is a shrewd negotiator.

You got him for 10m AAV in 2059, when he was 35. Seguin 2058 had a comparable season to 2062 Chrisitian, but Seguin was also pitching in the Dyson Sphere TM

Buffalo got him for 6m AAV in 2062, when he was 38, and Seguin didn't have a better season in 2061, than Christian just had at age 35.

They weren't comparable though, haha. 3.9 WARS WON vs 2.6. 3.4 FIP vs 4.21.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
@Wooly no one buys the bs lines or overpays for old players on big salaries. So if you want to move him ur going to have to cum dump him on someone and give up something. Or eat the salary for a year and then use the TO.
 

TonyGin&Juice

Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
@Wooly no one buys the bs lines or overpays for old players on big salaries. So if you want to move him ur going to have to cum dump him on someone and give up something. Or eat the salary for a year and then use the TO.

I don't know about that, I way overpaid for Raul Robles and then got foolish enough to give him an extension the sim before he died when he was 40. Of course, I signed him to get the budget and fan base back so it worked and it didn't hurt he was great in 2061. I don't know why someone would take on Dave Christian when he's one OSICK187 sim from being am anchor. He also has 10-and-5 rights so good luck dumping him to a rebuilding team.
 

Karl Hungus

Here to fix the cable
I don't know about that, I way overpaid for Raul Robles and then got foolish enough to give him an extension the sim before he died when he was 40. Of course, I signed him to get the budget and fan base back so it worked and it didn't hurt he was great in 2061. I don't know why someone would take on Dave Christian when he's one OSICK187 sim from being am anchor. He also has 10-and-5 rights so good luck dumping him to a rebuilding team.


I also wouldn't be surprised to see him take a pretty big hit to his stuff with the Jan. 1 scouting report.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
Oh we still dumb on our own players. I just mean GMs don't trade to take on big salaries for old players.

Didn't realize he had 10/5. He's not going anywhere. Sorry mammoth
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
They weren't comparable though, haha. 3.9 WARS WON vs 2.6. 3.4 FIP vs 4.21.


WAR is not a good stat for pitchers. They are tied to wins too much. You can just judge the production off the stats, and ignore the WAR. Someone has to pitch all those innings, and if they can do it without giving up a lot of runs, then they are gold, regardless of their WAR. For instance, sometimes a RP will get a lot of wins and get extra WAR. It doesn't change the quality of how they pitched though. Good pitchers on losing teams don't get as much WAR either. I don't look at WAR for pitchers for those reasons.

FIP is not necessary a good stat either. In a hitters park, the FIP matters a lot more. But in a regular park, like yours now is, FIP doesn't matter as much, especially if you have a good defense. It's the overall production that matters, and defense and park plays into that. FIP is a useful stat, but it's overrated IMO.

Same thing with hitting WAR in real life. The idea is nice, but the defensive metrics are just not up to snuff. I think you get a better measure of a hitter from OBP and SLG, and then just judge the defense by watching them. Give them + and ++ ratings. Trying to quantify defense is not accurate now, and may never be. Of course in the game, you have to accept the hitting WAR, but I digress...
 

osick87

Well-Known Member
Community Liaison
His FIP- (park adjusted) isn't good either.

Wins do nothing with FanGraphs pitching WAR (Which is what OOTP has licensed). It's FIP+ based
 

TonyGin&Juice

Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
WAR is not a good stat for pitchers. They are tied to wins too much. You can just judge the production off the stats, and ignore the WAR. Someone has to pitch all those innings, and if they can do it without giving up a lot of runs, then they are gold, regardless of their WAR. For instance, sometimes a RP will get a lot of wins and get extra WAR. It doesn't change the quality of how they pitched though. Good pitchers on losing teams don't get as much WAR either. I don't look at WAR for pitchers for those reasons.

COUNTER EXAMPLE

Gave up 19 runs, 12 of them were HRs, had 7 Wins and a negative WAR.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
FIP is not necessary a good stat either. In a hitters park, the FIP matters a lot more. But in a regular park, like yours now is, FIP doesn't matter as much, especially if you have a good defense. It's the overall production that matters, and defense and park plays into that. FIP is a useful stat, but it's overrated IMO.

lol okay mate. I'm not going to try and have a reasonable conversation with you.

Ur talking about a stat called FIELDING INDEPENDENT PITCHING and how fielding affects it haha
 

TonyGin&Juice

Sucking off Lawn Guy Land hobos.
lol okay mate. I'm not going to try and have a reasonable conversation with you.

Ur talking about a stat called FIELDING INDEPENDENT PITCHING and how fielding affects it haha

If FIP, FIP-, ERA, WAR, SO/W, and number of HRs don't matter when grading a 35 year old pitcher what does?
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
Oh we still dumb on our own players. I just mean GMs don't trade to take on big salaries for old players.

Didn't realize he had 10/5. He's not going anywhere. Sorry mammoth

No they don't trade to do it often, but they do in FA. However, there is not a reason those two situations have to be different. It all depends on the market, on the need, but if someone really wants a SP, and they are ready to pay in FA, they can mitigate some of the risk in a bidding war to get a sure thing in a trade. Whether Christian at 20m (24m) for one year is worth it to someone is debatable, but sometimes it can be. What if you really need one SP to solidify your rotation, in a year where you have a good team, but that SP hole could ruin the season. I had that situation a few years ago. Due to a SP opting out a year early, I was left with 3 quality SP. I desperately needed at least 1 more because I thought the quality of the rest of the team was worth having a top rotation. I didn't want to throw away a year, potentially, over 1 missing SP. The FA market had 2-3 good SP, with a steep drop-off after that. Bish and some other guy went earlier than expected, and it left Lenny (age 34 I think). I was bidding against Borg, who had money and wanted to re-sign their SP in FA. I ended up paying about 20m for him, but it was worth it. I had a great season, and some orange slices in the end. BTW, during the bidding war, when Lenny was the only good SP left, and I didn't know if I could resign him, I also made that trade to get Medina. I gave up my whole draft to do it, but I didn't care about that draft much anyway, and I had to make that move since I didn't know if I would get Lenny. I had put all of my money in FA to get some pitching, and wasn't going to leave any for draft picks, so why not trade them. I always have late draft picks anyway, so no big loss. I certainly wasn't going to get anyone as good as Medina in a draft.




Is the 10/5 rule a thing in our league? I didn't think we did that, or at least it has not come up with me. I have only traded a few players in a 10/5 situation, but they didn't object, so I don't know if they rule is even in effect. In one case, the player went to a loser, in the other they went to a winner.
 

osick87

Well-Known Member
Community Liaison
If you're wanting to trade a SP, I'd take Jose Medina or Watters off your hands.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
I'm not even reading that wall of text. No one is going to trade with you dude. Either eat the salary and have him as ur #4, or try and see if he'll allow a trade and cum dump him.

I'd actually be interested if you wanted to package him with a few good prospects or another WBL player. He may even agree to a trade with us.
 

osick87

Well-Known Member
Community Liaison
I'm not even reading that wall of text. No one is going to trade with you dude. Either eat the salary and have him as ur #4, or try and see if he'll allow a trade and cum dump him.

I'd actually be interested if you wanted to package him with a few good prospects or another WBL player. He may even agree to a trade with us.

Going to have to wait for OOTP18 for that.
 

Yankee151

Hot Girl Summer
Also ToGo and Blanks didn't opt out!! I knew ToGo was my Brian Drew, I convinced him to stay after he trashed my office.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
@NML I plan on keeping Astorias option-wise, but if you want him for your rotation he's on a one year deal now.

I'll probably pass. I have Groot who is similar talent wise and slightly cheaper - I'm kinda debating letting him walk since I think I can get him cheaper than his arb ($8m). The SP FA class is deep on those #3-5 arms. No aces unless there's opt outs or options declined, that's why I went after Rubio.

I think Astorias was the pick I gave you in the like 10 pick deal haha. I know I got Randull and Wishev out of it, so my SS position has been covered for a decade very average-ly.
 

Wooly

Well-Known Member
Also WAR absolutely takes Defence into account.

I know it does, in both real life and the game. Did I say it didn't? My point about real life WAR is that the stat is flawed because there is not a good way to measure defense statistically. I would rather use all the other measurements for a hitter, then make a subjective decision on the defense alone. I also said that, in this game, you are stuck going with the whole WAR for a hitter, since the game is driven by it for hitters.

lol okay mate. I'm not going to try and have a reasonable conversation with you.

Ur talking about a stat called FIELDING INDEPENDENT PITCHING and how fielding affects it haha

I didn't say that at all.

I said FIP matters more in parks where defense matters less, like hitters parks. In hitters parks you are more worried about contact, and quality contact. Pitchers with high K rates (assuming they don't walk a lot of batters) do better in hitters parks, then pitchers who use their defense more. In a pitchers park, it's more acceptable to let contact happen. If you put a really good defense into that pitchers park, you get great production, even with a higher FIP. If you get a sinkerball pitcher in the right park with the right defense, he doesn't have to have a great FIP, he can still look like Greg Maddux. What matters more in the end is the outcome, the production. FIP may or may not be a good metric for production based on the situation. I said FIP can be a useful stat, but it is not necessarily. As with anything, it depends.
 
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Travis7401

Douglass Tagg
Community Liaison
Dave has some value as a #3 or #4 starter type for next season. I think he can be a league average pitcher for another year. If that performance came with a 490k price tag, what would people give up for it? Probably have to beg for a 4th round pick

http://utopia.allsimbaseball9.com/game/lgreports/players/player_4417.html

$20M in cap space, what's that worth? 2 first round picks?

Wooly, you give me 2 firsts and Dave and I'll give you a 4th.
 

NML

Well-Known Member
Average players who are WBL ready have zero value in this league haha. You'd get more for them when they are 17.
 
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