Yeah that what I'm saying, I think similar levels of coverup by administration are happening around the country. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I think MSU's response is closer to normal than we'd like to believe.Point maybe true, but the response to sexual assault allegations is completely under each university's control. MSU's response is really bad here. It might be hard to make sure 85 players are always on the straight and narrow, but you can definitely control the response.
It's probably not even a 'think' at this point. Its happening everywhere. The money involved is worth more to the university than the victims, so you do anything you push it out of view.Yeah that what I'm saying, I think similar levels of coverup by administration are happening around the country. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I think MSU's response is closer to normal than we'd like to believe.
MSU students are consistently showing they are smarter than the people in charge at MSU, fortunately:
Eh, it's Gymnastics. I'd like to think if this were Izzo and that storied program, #teh MoVement by the students would be given the same amount of support, but I doubt it. There's no cognitive dissonance here for the slacktivists. Hasn't the Dantonio shit been going on, and known by students, for about a year or more?
PSU people can be super fucking weird. I was hanging out with a friend here and I don't even remember how it came up, but her aunt, who didn't even attend PSU, just all of a sudden drops a "But who knows what Joe really knew" out of nowhere
Eh, it's Gymnastics. I'd like to think if this were Izzo and that storied program, #teh MoVement by the students would be given the same amount of support, but I doubt it. There's no cognitive dissonance here for the slacktivists. Hasn't the Dantonio shit been going on, and known by students, for about a year or more?
Yes, a lot of the stuff in that OTL report has been an open secret for years.
https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/03...am-strampel-larry-nassar-abuse-video-computer
Dean of MSU had video of Nassar abusing on his computer...
Oh he wasn't just protecting Nassar. He was an abuser too.I just cannot for the life of me understand why people protect these scum bags! It's not like they couldn't have found another doctor.
The criminal complaint against Strampel alleges he propositioned female medical students for sex, groped them and solicited nude photos from them. Police seized Strampel’s university computer in February and discovered “approximately 50 photos of bare vaginas, nude and semi-nude women, sex toys and pornography.” Many of the photos appear to depict Michigan State students, according to the affidavit
https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/03...am-strampel-larry-nassar-abuse-video-computer
Dean of MSU had video of Nassar abusing on his computer...
Oh yeah, hat makes it so much better! Wait, no it doesn’tDean of the Osteopathic School of Medicine.
Oh yeah, hat makes it so much better! Wait, no it doesn’t
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/04/13/michigan-state-title-ix-lawsuit-2015-final-four
Also: https://sports.yahoo.com/ridiculous...chigan-state-needs-clean-house-222116940.html
To summarize what's been happening:
- MSU gets sued by a student who was allegedly raped by basketball players. MSU violates federal law and releases personal information about the student, including that she saw a university counselor multiple times after the rape. Counselors also allegedly told her that she shouldn't pursue anything against the players. And they also said other MSU athletes had raped women at MSU... I mean, just what the fuck?
- Meanwhile, the MSU President met with a victim and asked her for a number to settle her case (not that matters, but it was absurdly low). The victim just wanted to talk to him about his hurtful comments. In that meeting, he also lied and said the first victim to come over had given him a number. He's never met with her. He then said that the other arrest of the Dean in the post above wasn't a big deal because it was just a slap on the butt. Side note: he's a lawyer and came a little close to an ethics violation by meeting with the victim in the first place.
- The MSU President also said that taxpayers and students would be on the hook for any settlements here and proposed a 3% tuition increase.
I mean, I don't even know anymore. The entire board of trustees at MSU and the President has to be replaced at this point. They don't get it at all, and they're destroying the MSU's reputation pretty fast.
So I guess take it for what it is? The release from her attorney was strong, I thought the statement MSU needed to make to defend itself needed to strong as well. I suppose it may have been poor, but the fact that J Doe still has yet to file a Title XI complaint nor did she follow up with PD (non MSU affiliated) are pretty important factors. The suit is about whether or not MSUCC followed correct procedures. That's pretty unknown at this point. She could have absolutely been raped. Not disputing that, but they need to determine whether or not correct procedures were followed by MSUCC and that's really unknown right now.
- We have confirmed that, in April 2015, Jane Doe did visit MSU Counseling Center and that our records show that appropriate care and relevant information for a rape victim was provided to the student. We have not found any evidence or indication that she was discouraged in any way to make a Title IX complaint or a complaint to the police department. On the contrary, the student said she was then too distraught to discuss her circumstances. The counselor also suggested she visit the Sexual Assault Program unit on campus.
- In February 2016, Jane Does visited the Sexual Assault Program unit to receive additional services. She was provided appropriate services, including group counseling sessions, participating in a consultation with a sexual assault advocate, and scheduling an initial appointment with a sexual assault program therapist (an appointment which she did not appear for).
- In October 2015, Jane Doe’s father contacted her academic advisor to discuss concerns over academic performance. Through that conversation, the advisor learned about the alleged sexual assault. Academic advisors are mandatory reporters under MSU’s policies and the academic advisor promptly took the appropriate step of notifying the MSU Police Department about the potential assault.
- The MSUPD Special Victims Unit took the report seriously and tried to reach Jane Doe to start the investigation and gather more information, but Jane Doe did not respond to their outreach. An informational email was sent to her that outlined resources available to her, including Title IX information, options to contact the Office of Institutional Equity and relevant counseling services.
- Jane Doe never revealed the names of her alleged assailants nor, until she filed her lawsuit, did she publicly assert that an assault had occurred. To date, she has yet to exercise her right to make a Title IX complaint or contact the MSUPD or respond to the effort of the Special Victims Unit to learn information about the assault her father brought to the academic advisor’s attention.
- Any information shared during meetings with MSU counseling and psychiatric services is private and confidential. When attempting to investigate the issue, MSUPD did not have names or any information about possible assailants as Jane Doe never responded to their inquiry. At no point was MSU Athletics Department or the Basketball Program or Head Basketball Coach aware of or notified of the existence of a Jane Doe’s sexual assault allegation.
Editing out "if that's what it takes" after I post, lmao
Lot to digest, but let's look at both parts of this. MSU did release a statement after J Doe released to the public her own lawsuit. It isn't violating any federal law (at least what I have read?), but MSU did back track and "regret" what they released. This is what they ended up in the release.
So I guess take it for what it is? The release from her attorney was strong, I thought the statement MSU needed to make to defend itself needed to strong as well. I suppose it may have been poor, but the fact that J Doe still has yet to file a Title XI complaint nor did she follow up with PD (non MSU affiliated) are pretty important factors. The suit is about whether or not MSUCC followed correct procedures. That's pretty unknown at this point. She could have absolutely been raped. Not disputing that, but they need to determine whether or not correct procedures were followed by MSUCC and that's really unknown right now.
As far as the payment and the raise in tuition. Both of those things occurred in whatever this meeting is. That's now been refuted by 3 separate individuals. Another he said she said, but needs something needs to be figured out. There needs to be more clean up as it goes, but let's not mince words and just report all these headlines. I'm all for cleaning house, I also want answers to very important questions to make sure this never happens again at MSU or anywhere else.
Our memories and interpretations of the March 28 meeting are different than hers. I am sorry if anything said during the meeting was misunderstood. Regardless, since mediation of all claims begins on April 25, there will be an appropriate place for discussions concerning what would be a fair and equitable resolution.
"The President talked to Kaylee's mom on the phone days earlier before they arrived in the reception area demanding a meeting with the President saying they would not leave until they met," the e-mail says. "The meeting began with their pleas (and pleas throughout the meeting) that this meeting be kept 'confidential' and they would 'be in big trouble if it was known that they were meeting with us.' I was surprised this was the same mom that the President had talked to. But I know now that they wanted to meet in person so they could get him to talk to Kaylee, as Bob Young cautioned, to 'set up' MSU."
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"Understand that Bob Young advises that the plaintiff attorneys are willing to make bold and false assertions to advance their goal of increasing the cost of settlement," Viventi's e-mail said. "What members of the board say in public can, however unwittingly, advance the plaintiffs' goals and injure the university. When, as here, it is possible to verify whether public assertions made by plaintiffs are true, there should never be a statement in the press by board members that gives credibility to sensational headlines or what can best be described as "false news."
Fuck offI'd get diddled for 1.5 mil
Fuck off